'17 GA ATH DeAngelo Gibbs

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Not sure this one will be over until December. Seems like he genuinely likes both UT and UGA, so it may go back and forth until he has to decide. If Warrior gets a lot of PT and UT has a great season, I think we're right back in it. JMO.
 
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This is what I have come to believe is factual.

1. Every program has some money go under the table.
2. Programs who constantly recruit in the top 10 have a lot of money going under the table.
3. No matter how much a player likes a school, when a few thousand extra bones come into play, 9/10, he's going to that school.
4. When friends of a program want a coach gone, less bones are passed around, recruiting falls off, and the coach inevitably can't compete with the others, and is eventually fired for on the field results that come with decreased talent. Dooley experienced a bit of this with his alienation of everyone.

Those are simply the facts of college athletics, and explains a ton of the curious recruiting turns... both for and against UT, and I won't say any names, but there are a few over the last couple of years that certainly fit the bill (pun intended)
 
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I am not normally too negative, but this one seems like a real kick in the nads, to me. For some reason, it seems worse than Higgins. I think that this one will be tougher. I am not panicking, we will have a great season. I will see how it plays out, but Kirby is killing it this year, in recruiting. We really need to whip that azz in October.
 
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drvenner said:
I am not normally too negative, but this one seems like a real kick in the nads, to me. For some reason, it seems worse than Higgins. I think that this one will be tougher. I am not panicking, we will have a great season. I will see how it plays out, but Kirby is killing it this year, in recruiting. We really need to whip that azz in October.
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Too bad Kirby is going to be 0-1 vs Butch in his 1st year as a head coach.
 
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drvenner said:
I am not normally too negative, but this one seems like a real kick in the nads, to me. For some reason, it seems worse than Higgins. I think that this one will be tougher. I am not panicking, we will have a great season. I will see how it plays out, but Kirby is killing it this year, in recruiting. We really need to whip that azz in October.
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Eh...I moved on from EXPECTING Gibbs to be a Vol when Reed went UGA. I think we might still get him. The fact he is visiting again finally is a good sign I hope. But we don't have to have him either way.
 
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bignewt said:
1. I can do what I please.

2. If it is a dire position of need it very well can be a big deal. For the 17 class, RB, LB, DL those are dire needs and losing say a Chandler would amount to a big deal to me. DB or WR, not so much.

3. As always, IMO, NAACP, ACME, OU812
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You can do anything you want, my friend. Don't be surprised if you lose credibility in doing so, though.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Only you and your buddy CrunchingVols thinks this is a huge loss. You don't like to listen to facts when we say our secondary is stacked with young talent. He could push for playing time here but it's not like we desperately need him. So you just think not landing Gibbs will hurt our program? Lol gotcha.
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I think it's a big loss if we don't end up with him. The thing about young talent is that, especially in college, it becomes "just" talent, and then moves on. If you don't have more young talent behind it, you are one of those programs that just "rebuilds" instead of "reloads." Gibbs could potentially be the difference in that in a couple of years.
 
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McGeesPub said:
I think it's a big loss if we don't end up with him. The thing about young talent is that, especially in college, it becomes "just" talent, and then moves on. If you don't have more young talent behind it, you are one of those programs that just "rebuilds" instead of "reloads." Gibbs could potentially be the difference in that in a couple of years.
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So if Gibbs was a possible convert to LB and Theo Jackson balls out at safety, did our secondary suffer?
 
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butchna said:
So if Gibbs was a possible convert to LB and Theo Jackson balls out at safety, did our secondary suffer?
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Look, I get it, but that's a lot of variables, and I don't really see Gibbs at LB. Heck, Gibbs could be a colossal bust. All these things could happen, and I understand that. But in order to "reload," you have to put yourself in the best position to get the best players. Recruiting is anything but an exact science, but if we are on the "trust the evaluation" train, you won't convince me that Gibbs wasn't on top of Butch's board here, even though a lot of people think that's the answer to everything.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Look, I get it, but that's a lot of variables, and I don't really see Gibbs at LB. Heck, Gibbs could be a colossal bust. All these things could happen, and I understand that. But in order to "reload," you have to put yourself in the best position to get the best players. Recruiting is anything but an exact science, but if we are on the "trust the evaluation" train, you won't convince me that Gibbs wasn't on top of Butch's board here, even though a lot of people think that's the answer to everything.
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More talented Cortez McDowell for us. And Cortez is a talented...





linebacker. :)
 
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McGeesPub said:
I think it's a big loss if we don't end up with him. The thing about young talent is that, especially in college, it becomes "just" talent, and then moves on. If you don't have more young talent behind it, you are one of those programs that just "rebuilds" instead of "reloads." Gibbs could potentially be the difference in that in a couple of years.
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So you don't think Warrior, McDowell, Gaulden, Martin, or Berry can be difference makers in the secondary? Gibbs is the only player that can make our secondary better? Makes no sense whatsoever. So I guess Gibbs having 4*s beside his name makes him a better player right? Butch isn't exactly "rebuilding" anymore.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
So you don't think Warrior, McDowell, Gaulden, Martin, or Berry can be difference makers in the secondary? Gibbs is the only player that can make our secondary better? Makes no sense whatsoever. So I guess Gibbs having 4*s beside his name makes him a better player right? Butch isn't exactly "rebuilding" anymore.
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You're really good at putting words into people's mouth, and really bad at reading comprehension.

Nowhere did I say that, anywhere. I'm not going to waste my time rehashing what I wrote, but if you care, go back and pull those points out from my posts on the subject, if you can. I won't expect that you will of course. Too much tunnel vision from you.
 
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He was near the top of Butch's list. If he's gone, we get the next one or the next one...coach recruiting trick. :) We're beyond living and dying with a recruit's decision. Big time program trick. :)
 
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McGeesPub said:
You're really good at putting words into people's mouth, and really bad at reading comprehension.

Nowhere did I say that, anywhere. I'm not going to waste my time rehashing what I wrote, but if you care, go back and pull those points out from my posts on the subject, if you can. I won't expect that you will of course. Too much tunnel vision from you.
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You said Gibbs was a big loss and I gave my reasoning why he won't make or break this program. I specifically said that we have plenty of young talent in the secondary to where we don't actually "need" Gibbs for depth purposes. For some reason, you're wanting to ignore what I said even though it's true. Tell me again on why you think he's such a big loss for our program??
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
You said Gibbs was a big loss and I gave my reasoning why he won't make or break this program. I specifically said that we have plenty of young talent in the secondary to where we don't actually "need" Gibbs for depth purposes. For some reason, you're wanting to ignore what I said even though it's true. Tell me again on why you think he's such a big loss for our program??
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Right. Young talent. I've acknowledged that. Again, not rehashing why I think it's a big loss. My reasoning is in my post history. Whether the fault in not understanding that is mine or yours, my apologies. I'm moving on.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
This is what I have come to believe is factual.

1. Every program has some money go under the table.
2. Programs who constantly recruit in the top 10 have a lot of money going under the table.
3. No matter how much a player likes a school, when a few thousand extra bones come into play, 9/10, he's going to that school.
4. When friends of a program want a coach gone, less bones are passed around, recruiting falls off, and the coach inevitably can't compete with the others, and is eventually fired for on the field results that come with decreased talent. Dooley experienced a bit of this with his alienation of everyone.

Those are simply the facts of college athletics, and explains a ton of the curious recruiting turns... both for and against UT, and I won't say any names, but there are a few over the last couple of years that certainly fit the bill (pun intended)
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Sounds like you are saying Butch has lost "friends of the program"? Haslams want him gone? Really? Nay....
 
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butchna said:
He was near the top of Butch's list. If he's gone, we get the next one or the next one...coach recruiting trick. :) We're beyond living and dying with a recruit's decision. Big time program trick. :)
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Star ranking aside, doesn't it logically follow that the next one or the next one are lower on the coach's board?

I'm not worried about getting actual warm bodies to fill the class. That will happen regardless.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Star ranking aside, doesn't it logically follow that the next one or the next one are lower on the coach's board?

I'm not worried about getting actual warm bodies to fill the class. That will happen regardless.
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Seems like you give up if you don't get the EXACT ONE you want. Successful formula you think?
 
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I think if he was there a more sure path for him to be a linebacker he would be a more important get. Right now he may be more of a tweener. We do need linebackers, especially in the middle.
 
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