'18 GA LB JJ Peterson (Tennessee signee)

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Geaux_Vols said:
From the tweet: "The new NCAA rule against hiring a prospect's high school coach, only applies to off the field coaches"
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Yes, but does that mean just that you cannot actively recruit them or that they cannot sign at all. Small detail that matters a lot here. Because it seems they want to hire him off the field which would mean either JJ can't sign or we can't recruit him but he can sign anyway.
 
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Sleegro said:
Yes, but does that mean just that you cannot actively recruit them or that they cannot sign at all. Small detail that matters a lot here. Because it seems they want to hire him off the field which would mean either JJ can't sign or we can't recruit him but he can sign anyway.
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Ah, gotcha. Sorry, missed the nuance of the discussion skimming back through the pages.
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
Ah, gotcha. Sorry, missed the nuance of the discussion skimming back through the pages.
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Haha no worries. NCAA loves ambiguous rules. And this just went into effect so nobody really knows the answers. Trust me, I am no expert. All of my "knowledge" just comes from what other people have posted in this thread. I'm just regurgitating it for you. :)
 
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Sleegro said:
Haha no worries. NCAA loves ambiguous rules. And this just went into effect so nobody really knows the answers. Trust me, I am no expert. All of my "knowledge" just comes from what other people have posted in this thread. I'm just regurgitating it for you. :)
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11.4.3 Individual Associated with a Prospective Student-Athlete -- Football. In football, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department noncoaching staff position or in a strength and conditioning staff position.

11.4.3.1 Application. A violation of Bylaw 11.4.3 occurs if an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete (see Bylaw 13.02.19) is employed by the institution and, at the time of employment, a student-athlete who enrolled at the institution in the previous two years (and remains enrolled at the institution) was a prospective student-athlete by which the individual meets the definition of an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete. A violation of Bylaw 11.4.3 also occurs if an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete is employed and, within two years after such employment, a prospective student-athlete by which the individual meets the definition of an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete enrolls as a full-time student in a regular academic term at the institution. In either case, the student-athlete becomes ineligible for intercollegiate competition unless eligibility is restored by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.

11.4.3.2 Exception -- Reassignment. An institution may reassign an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete from a countable coaching staff position to a noncoaching staff position or strength and conditioning staff position, provided the individual has been a countable coach at the institution for at least the previous two academic years.
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Not a lawyer by any means but it reads to me like the prospect and the potential HS coach (for example) can't both sign with a school unless the HS coach is made one of the 10 full-time assistants. So if we hire Propst for an off the field role the way I understand we can't recruit a guy from Propst's HS team for four year (two year prior to the athlete enrolling/two years after the student enrolls).
 
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Burhead said:
Not a lawyer by any means but it reads to me like the prospect and the potential HS coach (for example) can't both sign with a school unless the HS coach is made one of the 10 full-time assistants. So if we hire Propst for an off the field role the way I understand we can't recruit a guy from Propst's HS team for four year (two year prior to the athlete enrolling/two years after the student enrolls).
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But wouldn't that eliminate us from hiring Propst for off field already due to signing Shamburger last year?

Edit: I mean only if we don't have an on field position for him.
 
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Sleegro said:
But wouldn't that eliminate us from hiring Propst for off field already due to signing Shamburger last year?

Edit: I mean only if we don't have an on field position for him.
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Didn't realize that Shamburger played for him, I honestly don't know.
 
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Propst could easily be listed "on paper" as one of the on-field coaches if he is hired. Nothing else concerning on-field coach responsibilities is regulated by the NCAA. Someone like Niedermyer (sp?) could be listed "on paper" as an off-field coach, but still receive a higher salary and perform off campus recruiting as long as only 10 total coaches recruit off campus.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
Propst could easily be listed "on paper" as one of the on-field coaches if he is hired. Nothing else concerning on-field coach responsibilities is regulated by the NCAA. Someone like Niedermyer (sp?) could be listed "on paper" as an off-field coach, but still receive a higher salary and perform off campus recruiting as long as only 10 total coaches recruit off campus.
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Niedermeyer does appear to be the only other option not confirmed as an on field coach or potential coach. But seems unlikely he would leave Alabama to not be an on field coach. Other than that McClendon not coming would be the only other option for Propst to get an on field position.

1. OC: Tyson Helton
2. DC: Kevin Sherrer
3. RB: Robert Gillespie
4. OL: Will Friend
5. WR: Brian McClendon ?
6. TE: Brian Niedermeyer ?
7. OLB: Chris Rumph
8. DL: Tracy Rocker
9. DB: Terry Fair
10. ST/S: Charles Kelly
 
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Sleegro said:
Niedermeyer does appear to be the only other option not confirmed as an on field coach or potential coach. But seems unlikely he would leave Alabama to not be an on field coach.
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Niedermeyer could still perform all responsibilities of an on-field coach at UT and receive the equivalent salary of an on-field coach. He could also be promised the "on-field" title after two years when the new NCAA rule would no longer apply to Propst. I think he would move from Bama with CJP to UT with these stipulations unless Bama promised him an "official" on-field position now.
 
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WarMachine said:
Someone mentioned Propst as likely a backup plan for McClendon. Makes the most sense to me.
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Yeah, that's been what I've been thinking too. Also explains why he hasn't been announced yet.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
Propst could easily be listed "on paper" as one of the on-field coaches if he is hired. Nothing else concerning on-field coach responsibilities is regulated by the NCAA. Someone like Niedermyer (sp?) could be listed "on paper" as an off-field coach, but still receive a higher salary and perform off campus recruiting as long as only 10 total coaches recruit off campus.
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Welcome to the board

:hi:
 
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The most straightforward solution is to not hire Propst period. Good coach with feet of crumbling clay. In the same vein, also don't hire Tn coaches from MBA, BA, or Ensworth. And McCallie for that matter, they have a couple of special athletes there too. Not sure about Oakland. This rule makes hiring HS coaches from really successful programs a win/LOSE situation. At least until the rule nuances are clarified.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Welcome to the board

:hi:
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Thanks. I have been a longtime member at a couple other Vol pay sites. I ended up cancelling my subs because of the mods on one site and the trolls on the other site. I'll let everyone figure out which site was which. So...here I am. :)
 
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That rule really hurts for High School coaches looking to move into the college ranks. Regulation stifling growth and opportunity. It's football. Who cares if a coach takes advantage of a situation he helped create? Players need good High School coaches to develop into next level players, and bad High School coaches wouldn't get the offer to coach at the next level.

You get jobs by who you know. Recruiting is about relationships with high school coaches. That rule is lose-lose.
 
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Pretty obvious he will visit then commit that weekend after dead period. He is different and not a fan of the process of recruiting so probably will get it over with soon
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Pretty obvious he will visit then commit that weekend after dead period. He is different and not a fan of the process of recruiting so probably will get it over with soon
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It’s okay be to optimistic at this point, but nothing is obvious in recruiting until the ink has dried.
 
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