'20 GA QB Harrison Bailey (UT SIGNEE)

[Carson11]

I did. I said “he may not be able to live up to the hype of VN” in a nutshell. Pay attention if you’re going to get involved.

That’s not an opinion of his game. That’s an opinion of the fan base. You never gave an opinion of his game but said you understood the drop in rankings. What is it about his game that makes you understand the drop? I am trying to keep up and be nice about it.

 

[butchna]

No one ever said you or anyone else had to agree with anything I’ve ever said. But when you have to “pluck” words from a statement to create an issue it’s obvious that there was nothing in said statement that you could argue. Guess what.... I just posted another comment in a conversation you weren’t involved in that you can use against me as well. Look for “he is god”.

Agree or disagree I still stand by what I’ve said before. I’ve learned to respect ChargerVol and yourself. But I won’t be a doormat either.

I’ve noticed your posting history, feel they’re generally well thought out and agree with many so respect can be considered mutual. That being said, the strategy of tiptoeing to the house, throwing a pebble to get attention and standing there when the occupants scurry out to investigate is ALWAYS going to result in the reaction you wanted to avoid. If you ever have spare time, search for the Torrance Gibson thread and follow it from it’s inception. What started as a 5 star QB’s player thread ended up a tome of VN strife. MockingVol expresses the first reservation about the young man and then yours truly along with two posters who may still post but not with those screennames took over as basically 3 against the VN horde. He was an athletic talent who I didn’t see as a face of the program QB and maintaining that stance on here got some RESPONSE! It was early days on this board for me and I did have some kinks to work out (some say I never have) but reality played out and I have an outrageous post count to show for it. The WORST strategy on this board is to hint at information you solely possess and refuse to divulge because “we can’t handle it”. No half measures, Walter.

 

[chargervol]

Not true. I have watched them both as I am from central Florida but now am in the Atlanta area. I am a BM fan. That much is true but I don’t get defensive at all. At first I defended actual facts vs uneducated opinions in regards to BM which formed your opinion that I was heavily invested. And the first 2-300 post (you claim) being on the BM thread or related who else was I supposed to talk about? My opinion of HB has nothing to do with BM. In fact most of my posts in regards to HB have been positive in nature and without comparison. What started this whole issue was a direct question of Volgrad asking someone’s opinion of HB that has watched him live to either confirm or discredit the negative evaluations of other people (which I assume were live people, not on VN given the nature of his post). From that point it’s been nothing but people over reacting to the fact that I eluded to possible reasons for his drop (a heavily asked question on here) and the fact that it wasn’t another “he is god” vote of confidence. It was neutral. Simply put.... I’m trying to get along with VN but some people make it hard when all you try to do is tell someone something they didn’t know about a player and it’s actually THEM that get defensive when you say something they didn’t want hear.

Not a "claim", it's in your post history.

Not gonna argue, everyone can check themselves and form their own opinion about your reasoning.
It's not a slight against you but being that big of a fan usually results in competition bias. It just does.

 

[Devo182]

I like your confidence...I just hope he is better than average.

Was last year. #44 QBR with a bottom 10 OL and league-worst rushing attack (aka zero help). I'd say, given that context, he was borderline top 25.

 

[Devo182]

good they should be taken to task if for anything dropping or raising any recruits rankings that much without actual football being played.

Some of the 2019 rerankings are from football being played. They reranked early in the year (maybe it was Feb or March idk) and that was based on Fall 2018 season film.

 

[AaronUT]

Some of the 2019 rerankings are from football being played. They reranked early in the year (maybe it was Feb or March idk) and that was based on Fall 2018 season film.

Is that your deduction or did they say that?

 

[Devo182]

Is that your deduction or did they say that?

They said that.

Early year rerank = 2018 season
Summer rerank = camps

 

[fearsvols]

Kinda important to the conversation, imo.

Just remembered who 1vol is. His first 200-300 posts were all about how good Maurer is, ALL of them. Used to get very defensive when someone said they thought HB would be better.
I always thought that he was related or at least knew the Maurer family, but, he says he doesn't/isn't. Either way, he is a hardcore BM fan.
Always respected his passion for Brian but it's my opinion that his takes on Bailey aren't gonna be exactly, "unbiased".

lost me with Merietta

 

[chargervol]

They said that.

Early year rerank = 2018 season
Summer rerank = camps

I think what bothers most, at least myself, is how good he was in both the season and the camps.
Doesn't make sense.

It's like "we used to think he was great but then he went out and put up stellar performances and numbers, so we changed our minds."

 

[AaronUT]

They said that.

Early year rerank = 2018 season
Summer rerank = camps

Well they need to explain why people getting dropped or raised for that matter. It’s completely known and obvious camps affect summer rankings. That explains nothing. The one article he links to Houston don’t even mention Harrison; he’s dodging.

 

[fearsvols]

So i think i figured out where the dissapointment in HB game is...its the lack of wow plays. All the kid does is drop back, step up in the pocket and make very good throws. You don't see someone wrapping him up and he busts free then makes the 30 yard throw for a td. All he does is make good reads, good throws and scores tds with a low int rate. I can see where analysts would find this boring and a lack of growth in his game so they nitpick the lack of mobility.

 

[1vol8]

I’ve noticed your posting history, feel they’re generally well thought out and agree with many so respect can be considered mutual. That being said, the strategy of tiptoeing to the house, throwing a pebble to get attention and standing there when the occupants scurry out to investigate is ALWAYS going to result in the reaction you wanted to avoid. If you ever have spare time, search for the Torrance Gibson thread and follow it from it’s inception. What started as a 5 star QB’s player thread ended up a tome of VN strife. MockingVol expresses the first reservation about the young man and then yours truly along with two posters who may still post but not with those screennames took over as basically 3 against the VN horde. He was an athletic talent who I didn’t see as a face of the program QB and maintaining that stance on here got some RESPONSE! It was early days on this board for me and I did have some kinks to work out (some say I never have) but reality played out and I have an outrageous post count to show for it. The WORST strategy on this board is to hint at information you solely possess and refuse to divulge because “we can’t handle it”. No half measures, Walter.

Ok. Gotcha..... and understood. I’ll post what I personally witnessed of HB given that explanation. I just don’t want people to think I’m “against” him or, like Charger assumes, give the impression of a biased opinion due to another qb on our roster. It’ll be up soon as a random post.

 

[1vol8]

Not a "claim", it's in your post history.

Not gonna argue, everyone can check themselves and form their own opinion about your reasoning.
It's not a slight against you but being that big of a fan usually results in competition bias. It just does.

Well it wasn’t intended that way at all. I looked at it as informing people of things they wouldn’t know if they hadn’t witnessed it themselves. And what I meant by “claim” is you saying EVERY one of my first 2-300 posts. That’s just simply not true but a lot within that range are. I’ll give you that

 

[Devo182]

Well they need to explain why people getting dropped or raised for that matter. It’s completely known and obvious camps affect summer rankings. That explains nothing. The one article he links to Houston don’t even mention Harrison; he’s dodging.

Here is their critique from the opening:

He still has room for improvement, though, starting with “just the overall kind of speed at which he plays,” Power said.

“When you’re kind of comparing him to the elite of the elite, he’d probably be a little slower with the way he kind of moves and just kind of the whole package,” Power said of Bailey. “He took three sacks — three timed sacks — in the group play. Kind of how they set it up was every quarterback had a game during the group play, so he had an entire game in that. And I think he had the most sacks of anybody in that.

“He doesn’t really have problems with his straight-line speed. It’s more so just the footwork, I would say.”

Power said the Elite 11 Finals and The Opening Finals showed that Bailey’s strength is being “a touch passer from the pocket — just tossing it up to kind of big receivers” in “jump-ball situations.”

“For our rankings, I think he probably would’ve been, like, 11 or 12. His numbers were basically pretty negligible with TJ Finley’s,” Power said, referring to the LSU commitment who finished No. 11 in 247Sports’ rankings of the Elite 11 quarterbacks.

“(Bailey) had his moments, especially in that red-zone stuff. But he was probably middle-of-the-pack outside of that, for the most part.”

 

[JacketVol]

So i think i figured out where the dissapointment in HB game is...its the lack of wow plays. All the kid does is drop back, step up in the pocket and make very good throws. You don't see someone wrapping him up and he busts free then makes the 30 yard throw for a td. All he does is make good reads, good throws and scores tds with a low int rate. I can see where analysts would find this boring and a lack of growth in his game so they nitpick the lack of mobility.

Which in turn explains why they are DA’s.

 

[AaronUT]

Here is their critique from the opening:

You mean the E11?
Yea I read “Powers’” statements as well during the E11. Doesn’t explain the history of the drops or what Houston and Callahan are talking about. I really don’t care to talk about it, just thought you might have had some information pertinent to the Twitter skirmish.

 

[chargervol]

Here is their critique from the opening:

Yeah, I remember the "jump ball" claim but every highlight showed him putting the ball in front of or leading the receiver.
Was the oddest of any claim they made.

 

[Devo182]

You mean the E11?
Yea I read “Powers’” statements as well during the E11. Doesn’t explain the history of the drops or what Houston and Callahan are talking about. I really don’t care to talk about it, just thought you might have had some information pertinent to the Twitter skirmish.

This covered the 5-day period. The E11 plus Opening.

 

[Devo182]

You mean the E11?
Yea I read “Powers’” statements as well during the E11. Doesn’t explain the history of the drops or what Houston and Callahan are talking about. I really don’t care to talk about it, just thought you might have had some information pertinent to the Twitter skirmish.

Oh, nah I don't care about that. Kress is a joke. Just wants to rile up the VolTwitter folk I believe lol.

But imo whatever Powers has said is basically why 247 dropped him a bit recently. To be 12th out of 22 QBs there might warrant a drop in their eyes. A 247 poster asked why he dropped and Callahan gave them that link. Fwiw, Callahan doesn't have anything to do with rankings, so he just does his best to make sense of it all like the rest and send out the bat signal to analysts when he can.

 

[chargervol]

Like I said "throwing jump balls" proved they were pulling stuff out of their azzes.
Kinda stupid to go there given his best stat is his TD to interception ratio. Guess he just got really lucky, like more so than anyone in history.

 

[1vol8]

As anyone can see on his highlights alone he has very good ball placement skills deep downfield. Short and intermediate passes are not always as accurate as you’d expect.
He tends to trust his ball placement deep and often throws into dbl/triple coverage. My opinion is he would have many more ints had Keaton not been an elite talent at adjusting and going up for contested catches (which is why I’m critical of Keaton on the 2nd int in the SG).
It’s no secret he’s immobile but he works a clean pocket well. He keeps his eyes downfield but seems to either pick his receivers presnap or he’s a little slower through his reads once option 1 isn’t there. It tends to make me wonder how he would do if every receiver on the field had similar skill sets like our group we have now.
If our o line can give him 3.5+ seconds he’ll pick any defense apart if he learns to just take what they give you. 3 seconds or less and he’s likely eating a sack snack.
His long toss was 58 yards at the elite 11. Well below the elite arm strength I personally expected. Although short and intermediate have plenty of zip on them.
I’ve heard from multiple sources now that he’s not the most liked person on his teams. I take that with a grain of salt in most cases but I’ve also heard from a trusted source that he was very critical of the skill sets of JG, JT and BM at the spring game so to me it fits in the category of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”.
I put it all together and I think UT has an extremely talented qb room when he arrives. Possibly the best in the SEC. Although I’m not sold he walks on as the most talented or the best option at the moment, I think he’s a very good qb as a whole and we’ll be happy to have him.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

As anyone can see on his highlights alone he has very good ball placement skills deep downfield. Short and intermediate passes are not always as accurate as you’d expect.
He tends to trust his ball placement deep and often throws into dbl/triple coverage. My opinion is he would have many more ints had Keaton not been an elite talent at adjusting and going up for contested catches (which is why I’m critical of Keaton on the 2nd int in the SG).
It’s no secret he’s immobile but he works a clean pocket well. He keeps his eyes downfield but seems to either pick his receivers presnap or he’s a little slower through his reads once option 1 isn’t there. It tends to make me wonder how he would do if every receiver on the field had similar skill sets like our group we have now.
If our o line can give him 3.5+ seconds he’ll pick any defense apart if he learns to just take what they give you. 3 seconds or less and he’s likely eating a sack snack.
His long toss was 58 yards at the elite 11. Well below the elite arm strength I personally expected. Although short and intermediate have plenty of zip on them.
I’ve heard from multiple sources now that he’s not the most liked person on his teams. I take that with a grain of salt in most cases but I’ve also heard from a trusted source that he was very critical of the skill sets of JG, JT and BM at the spring game so to me it fits in the category of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”.
I put it all together and I think UT has an extremely talented qb room when he arrives. Possibly the best in the SEC. Although I’m not sold he walks on as the most talented or the best option at the moment, I think he’s a very good qb as a whole and we’ll be happy to have him.

How many of his teammates were at his birthday party?

 

[1vol8]

How many of his teammates were at his birthday party?

Lmao. I see what you did there

 

[chargervol]

As anyone can see on his highlights alone he has very good ball placement skills deep downfield. Short and intermediate passes are not always as accurate as you’d expect.
He tends to trust his ball placement deep and often throws into dbl/triple coverage. My opinion is he would have many more ints had Keaton not been an elite talent at adjusting and going up for contested catches (which is why I’m critical of Keaton on the 2nd int in the SG).
It’s no secret he’s immobile but he works a clean pocket well. He keeps his eyes downfield but seems to either pick his receivers presnap or he’s a little slower through his reads once option 1 isn’t there. It tends to make me wonder how he would do if every receiver on the field had similar skill sets like our group we have now.
If our o line can give him 3.5+ seconds he’ll pick any defense apart if he learns to just take what they give you. 3 seconds or less and he’s likely eating a sack snack.
His long toss was 58 yards at the elite 11. Well below the elite arm strength I personally expected. Although short and intermediate have plenty of zip on them.
I’ve heard from multiple sources now that he’s not the most liked person on his teams. I take that with a grain of salt in most cases but I’ve also heard from a trusted source that he was very critical of the skill sets of JG, JT and BM at the spring game so to me it fits in the category of “where there’s smoke there’s fire”.
I put it all together and I think UT has an extremely talented qb room when he arrives. Possibly the best in the SEC. Although I’m not sold he walks on as the most talented or the best option at the moment, I think he’s a very good qb as a whole and we’ll be happy to have him.

You did give your reasons, so respect for that.
I'll give my honest take. I think if you remove their rumors and your speculation, your post would be very short.

 

[bignewt]

They said that.

Early year rerank = 2018 season
Summer rerank = unfounded bs

fify