'20 GA QB Harrison Bailey (UT SIGNEE)

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1vol8 said:
I’ll give you credit. You’ve always called it the way you see it. I just didn’t see the same things and like I said... you don’t get ranked 13 in the state of Georgia with a bad o line and we’ll say SLIGHTLY mobile qb.
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Uhhh you do if you have a QB who consistently throws for 300yds a game. He basically willed his team to wins. The kid was getting hit and still launching the ball to his receivers, and if you don’t think his OL was trash I don’t trust any of your football evaluations.

Also since I rewatched the Spring Game again the throw by Brian Maurer to Keyton was way behind him, he was on a full sprint down the sideline and had to completely turn his body around (do a 180) and try and stop his momentum to catch the ball. The reason there was no fight for the ball was due to that and the fact that neither the receiver nor QB ever saw McCullough, McCullough undercut the throw that Keyton was having to completely turn around for. That is why btw Keyton was unable to “fight for the ball” because of a crappy throw from Brian Maurer.
 
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Devo182 said:
I think he has some very valid points in there, especially concerning his OL. But when it comes to rankings, he mentions dropping 90 spots and then says he won a Rivals camp MVP...when it was 247 that dropped him, and 247 is not going to follow a halfarsed Rivals camp that barely featured anyone.

He either doesn't understand recruiting rankings or is just confused. I'm sure he means well, so I'll assume the latter and give him benefit of the doubt.
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Me thinks you don't understand who this guy is. He gets the recruiting rankings or the sham that they really are waaaay more than we do.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Me thinks you don't understand who this guy is. He gets the recruiting rankings or the sham that they really are waaaay more than we do.
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Not like he played Pro ball or anything.... or is an Under Armor Next - East Director or anything.... and former recruiting coordinator at Grayson.... meaning all he has been around is recruiting.... I’ll excuse @Devo182 for not knowing this.
 
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Devo182 said:
You've seen them in person right? You and olb have very different opinions then on the ol for both seeing live games. Nothing wrong with that and could be anecdotal in nature, but that diversity in opinion is interesting at least.
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Well that could be as simple as both of us looking at different things. A lot of moving parts on any given play. Or could even be as simple as a biased opinion vs a neutral one. HB has a lot of fans and rightfully so.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Uhhh you do if you have a QB who consistently throws for 300yds a game. He basically willed his team to wins. The kid was getting hit and still launching the ball to his receivers, and if you don’t think his OL was trash I don’t trust any of your football evaluations.

Also since I rewatched the Spring Game again the throw by Brian Maurer to Keyton was way behind him, he was on a full sprint down the sideline and had to completely turn his body around (do a 180) and try and stop his momentum to catch the ball. The reason there was no fight for the ball was due to that and the fact that neither the receiver nor QB ever saw McCullough, McCullough undercut the throw that Keyton was having to completely turn around for. That is why btw Keyton was unable to “fight for the ball” because of a crappy throw from Brian Maurer.
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It’s funny you say that about the SG within THIS conversation because it’s easy to defend given the video posted. Are you trying to tell me that at least most of I said in my “evaluation” wasn’t on display in that video? Was his short/intermediate game always spot on? Did he throw into dbl/triple coverage with a preselected receiver? By my count td #1 to AG and #3 to Keaton we’re just as easily intercepted as they were tds. I would also say #4 to Keaton but he WAS being hit when he threw it so no one can criticize him for not being able to follow through. Although it was a preselected receiver into dbl coverage once again. Which brings me to my defense of BM. As you seen on display Keaton made his NAME on adjustments to high point a ball. On the video (where HB was hit while throwing) he IMMEDIATELY began to position himself by “putting on the brakes” as soon as the ball left HBs hand. So don’t tell me he couldn’t have done the same thing for BM when that was the EXACT same situation only in dbl coverage in the video vs single in the SG.
 
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1vol8 said:
It’s funny you say that about the SG within THIS conversation because it’s easy to defend given the video posted. Are you trying to tell me that at least most of I said in my “evaluation” wasn’t on display in that video? Was his short/intermediate game always spot on? Did he throw into dbl/triple coverage with a preselected receiver? By my count td #1 to AG and #3 to Keaton we’re just as easily intercepted as they were tds. I would also say #4 to Keaton but he WAS being hit when he threw it so no one can criticize him for not being able to follow through. Although it was a preselected receiver into dbl coverage once again. Which brings me to my defense of BM. As you seen on display Keaton made his NAME on adjustments to high point a ball. On the video (where HB was hit while throwing) he IMMEDIATELY began to position himself by “putting on the brakes” as soon as the ball left HBs hand. So don’t tell me he couldn’t have done the same thing for BM when that was the EXACT same situation only in dbl coverage in the video vs single in the SG.
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He couldn’t have done the same thing for BM plain and simple.

You need to watch the play again.

There is a difference between looking back for the ball and seeing your QB getting hit and adjusting to a ball then there is when you are on a dead sprint out running your coverage and then realizing your QB underthrew the ball and making an adjustment at the last second with a safety undercutting the throw. (It wasn’t a jump ball btw, since you seem to think it was, Keyton was having to “comeback to” the ball)
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
He couldn’t have done the same thing for BM plain and simple.

You need to watch the play again.

There is a difference between looking back for the ball and seeing your QB getting hit and adjusting to a ball then there is when you are on a dead sprint out running your coverage and then realizing your QB underthrew the ball and making an adjustment at the last second with a safety undercutting the throw. (It wasn’t a jump ball btw, since you seem to think it was, Keyton was having to “comeback to” the ball)
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I have watched it. Over and over again. I slowed it down as well. And trust me when I tell you RK is athletic enough to make that play. He quit, plain and simple.
Look man.... I don’t mean any disrespect to you or anyone else. But I’m not just some armchair fan that thinks he knows more than he does. The original point I was making when I responded to this thread was simply that it seems People on VN are setting themselves up for disappointment with the expectations of HB coming in. He’s good...... but he’s not what a lot of people are expecting. Every qb that’s ever entered into college football has flaws in his game that can be coached. HB has the same “gunslinger” mentality that BM has. But I personally feel he’s a little behind in the speed of his reads and decision making.
 
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Recruiting services are becoming a even bigger joke, more political everyday which SUCKS. If they don't watch out they will be right up there with fake news. It's a total political sham, trust your coaches they are much more equipped than any service out there 99 percent of the time and that is FACT! GBO!
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
To some extent, but they don't really care if 247 drops a guy 3 spots in the rankings. Most of these recruits know each other and have even played with each other in some of the camps. Sure, they might put more stock in a guy with a 4- or 5-star rating than a 2-star, but they aren't sitting around saying "well I wanted to play with Harrison when he was ranked #134 but not now that he's only rated #142. " I just don't think it matters much except for fan perception.

Take a look back at some of the previous classes and plenty of busts and also guys that were only ranked as the #12 or #16 QB who ended up being great. In the 2015 class, Sam Darnold was only rated as the #12 QB behind Blake Barnett, Brandon Wimbush, Travis Jonsen, Deondre Francois, and Ricky Town (who Darnold unexpectedly beat out for the starting job at USC). Our highest rated QB from that class, btw, was Jauan Jennings.

Maybe Bailey is underrated; maybe he's not; but he's set with us, and it doesn't really matter if he's the #79 or #153 rated recruit in the grand scheme of things.
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I'm sure one guy dropping 3 spots would not have an effect on anyone, and someone already knowing where they want to go wouldn't be worried with the rankings much. But when all your commits start getting drops especially your leader while all the buzz and momentum is going to the competition, it certainly does impact these young impressional young men. Especially in the spot we are in with our record the last two years, and the negative recruiting telling them it will be years before we're back.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Class rankings
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When you say "right" and "usually" what are you basing your evaluation on? College production, NFL draftability? In my opinion, since we are evaluating their capability to perform in college football, that should be the criterion. So, do you have evidence to support they're usually right? I personally think that they have tacit agreements with certain teams to rank their players higher, which in turn, helps said teams future recruiting.
 
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1vol8 said:
I have watched it. Over and over again. I slowed it down as well. And trust me when I tell you RK is athletic enough to make that play. He quit, plain and simple.
Look man.... I don’t mean any disrespect to you or anyone else. But I’m not just some armchair fan that thinks he knows more than he does. The original point I was making when I responded to this thread was simply that it seems People on VN are setting themselves up for disappointment with the expectations of HB coming in. He’s good...... but he’s not what a lot of people are expecting. Every qb that’s ever entered into college football has flaws in his game that can be coached. HB has the same “gunslinger” mentality that BM has. But I personally feel he’s a little behind in the speed of his reads and decision making.
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These photos don’t even do justice on how bad of a throw this was. He literally was back pedaling trying to catch the ball.
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drvenner said:
When you say "right" and "usually" what are you basing your evaluation on? College production, NFL draftability? In my opinion, since we are evaluating their capability to perform in college football, that should be the criterion. So, do you have evidence to support they're usually right? I personally think that they have tacit agreements with certain teams to rank their players higher, which in turn, helps said teams future recruiting.
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I think there is absolutely no incentive for a recruiting service to unfairly rank a kid lower than what their ability reflects. Recruiting services stake their reputation on being accurate and correct so there’s no incentive to do what many assert them doing.
Also, their accuracy is reflected in their class ranking and comparing it to end of the year results for college football teams. In other words, look at who finishes in the top 10 each year and correlate that with how they’ve been recruiting based on where their classes have ranked. Sure there are exceptions, but more times than not, the recruiting services get it right.
 
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The Original Fade said:
I think there is absolutely no incentive for a recruiting service to unfairly rank a kid lower than what their ability reflects. Recruiting services stake their reputation on being accurate and correct so there’s no incentive to do what many assert them doing.
Also, their accuracy is reflected in their class ranking and comparing it to end of the year results for college football teams. In other words, look at who finishes in the top 10 each year and correlate that with how they’ve been recruiting based on where their classes have ranked. Sure there are exceptions, but more times than not, the recruiting services get it right.
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Very few people actually follow up on how specific recruiting services ranked players 2-4 years after and there has been time to evaluate how the players performed. I don't think that they do it with a lot of recruits, many are no-brainers. They're going to do whatever gets them the most subscriptions. I would be very surprised if they did not have more players ranked higher in their bigger media markets to lure people in.
 
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1vol8 said:
Well agree to disagree. You watched him make the same play in video posted yet you’re full of excuses when it comes to which qb threw the ball. Ridiculous.
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If Shrout or JG would of been the one to of made that throw I would say the exact same thing lol.

You are the one not realizing the difficulty of that play for the WR. Blaming Keyton for a terrible throw that even Coach Pruitt himself called an “Alley-oop”

Hard for a receiver to completely stop his forward momentum when he is running full speed, hence the 180 back pedal, with a safety undercutting the throw.

You obviously have never played football competitively.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
If Shrout or JG would of been the one to of made that throw I would say the exact same thing lol.

You are the one not realizing the difficulty of that play for the WR. Blaming Keyton for a terrible throw that even Coach Pruitt himself called an “Alley-oop”

Hard for a receiver to completely stop his forward momentum when he is running full speed, hence the 180 back pedal, with a safety undercutting the throw.

You obviously have never played football competitively.
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In an effort to keep from having words put in my mouth much like SSvol already did I’ll keep my credentials to myself. And it’s obvious you would’ve said the same thing if either of them 2 threw that ball as well. Just obviously not HB. I got it.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Uhhh you do if you have a QB who consistently throws for 300yds a game. He basically willed his team to wins. The kid was getting hit and still launching the ball to his receivers, and if you don’t think his OL was trash I don’t trust any of your football evaluations.

Also since I rewatched the Spring Game again the throw by Brian Maurer to Keyton was way behind him, he was on a full sprint down the sideline and had to completely turn his body around (do a 180) and try and stop his momentum to catch the ball. The reason there was no fight for the ball was due to that and the fact that neither the receiver nor QB ever saw McCullough, McCullough undercut the throw that Keyton was having to completely turn around for. That is why btw Keyton was unable to “fight for the ball” because of a crappy throw from Brian Maurer.
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One bad throw by a gunslinger.

Let's not mention he started 5 for 5 and led his squad to the 1st points of the game.
 
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1vol8 said:
In an effort to keep from having words put in my mouth much like SSvol already did I’ll keep my credentials to myself. And it’s obvious you would’ve said the same thing if either of them 2 threw that ball as well. Just obviously not HB. I got it.
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Why would I talk about HB who is not on our team yet? Lol you are ridiculous.
 
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