Game Thread: MTSU v Lady Vols, Tues. Nov 12th; Home-FCC; 6:30PM; SEC+ network: win 89-75

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glv98 said:
I hate bad offense. But I think that will come along. I also hate constant whistles but I'm going to have to learn to live with that.
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Uh this isn’t bad offense lol.

It just isn’t what you’re used to seeing. It’s high octane, lots of possessions and fueled by defense.

Sure it’s not pretty offense, but it isn’t designed to be. It’s designed to be effective.
 
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volfan__18 said:
Scott could play for just about anybody. The other would play for majority. He’s not totally wrong.
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Play, start or ride the bench and be part of the team in the SEC? Are you saying those two should be playing significant minutes on an SEC squad? (I will grant you Mizzou and Ark btw, so there is that). But yeah, they are quality and gamers.
 
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I think if the standard for a press is the kind of somewhat soft full-court press that you see other schools do, then the positivity from a few posters regarding today's press performance would make sense.

But we've already demonstrated, the standards for our press should be way higher. Look at what we did against Samford and Carson-Newman. We hardly saw any of that today, and it's why we saw an opponent get to 75, instead of 49, 53, 50 that we've previously allowed. MTSU is better than Samford and Carson-Newman, sure, but they aren't 40+ points better. The Lady Vols on those two nights could have beaten anyone. The Lady Vols today would have lost by 20 to the top of the NCAA. Something is wrong, and I've already speculated elsewhere what it is. After UTM and this game, I fear that I wasn't wrong. [which sucks, because there are few members of the fanbase who were more excited to see us hire a System coach than I was when I heard the news that we hired Marshall's coach]

There is no reason why a team with as athletic of a roster as Tennessee's, with a system like Kim's, against a mid-major that had players playing 38+ minutes vs a Caldwell team should even be close in margin, and yet the fact that it was is, IMO, a massive concern of whether coach's S&C programme is even getting close to the peak performance out of her players on gameday. Counting the exhibition, that's now a 3rd consecutive game we've gotten fewer steals than the previous. And, naturally, a 3rd consecutive game with fewer points than the previous.

And I hate that some people may think that my criticisms are coming from a place of wanting Kim to fail, when it couldn't be further from the truth. I am a strong believer that unless the rules of the game ever change someday in a way that hurts the system this system is the most effective way to play ball. Very few teams run it in both men's and women's college ball, so it's not really seen a test at the highest level. UT is that big first test. And it can and will succeed if it isn't held back in some way.

But messing up S&C, such that you aren't getting anywhere near the 110% effort that you need to maximize the strengths of the system, is absolutely a way to keep your team from reaching its full potential. [and that's without even mentioning concerns about injuries]
 
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Rooster1 said:
Play, start or ride the bench and be part of the team in the SEC? Are you saying those two should be playing significant minutes on an SEC squad? (I will grant you Mizzou and Ark btw, so there is that).
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Neither are SEC caliber they just play their roles well and a very well coached team. Anywhere else they looks mediocre
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Just got home,,,saw the game in person
Here's my take

That was a well coached team with two guards that could play for any SEC team and a post that, if she had had some forwards who could have helped her,,,we would have been in deep doodoo....And yes the female ref called the game as if she was making NIL money from MTSU

There,,,I feel better now
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What’s all this what if? The center camped in the lane all night and not one 3 second violation was called.. Latham played her one on one and she wasn’t effective at all. With a forward or not what kept this game from getting out of hand and being a 20-30 pt win was the officiating.
Tennessee put up 89 points on this team on an off-night.
Lol at the SEC comment.
Saying the LVs would’ve been in doodoo based on a hypothetical situation is bat shiiiiii crazy.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Uh this isn’t bad offense lol.

It just isn’t what you’re used to seeing. It’s high octane, lots of possessions and fueled by defense.

Sure it’s not pretty offense, but it isn’t designed to be. It’s designed to be effective.
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I get it already. Designed to be effective not efficient. At least it's an interesting concept. I just can't stop thinking being efficient would be so much less trouble.
 
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RespectAPA said:
I think if the standard for a press is the kind of somewhat soft full-court press that you see other schools do, then the positivity from a few posters regarding today's press performance would make sense.

But we've already demonstrated, the standards for our press should be way higher. Look at what we did against Samford and Carson-Newman. We hardly saw any of that today, and it's why we saw an opponent get to 75, instead of 49, 53, 50 that we've previously allowed. MTSU is better than Samford and Carson-Newman, sure, but they aren't 40+ points better. The Lady Vols on those two nights could have beaten anyone. The Lady Vols today would have lost by 20 to the top of the NCAA. Something is wrong, and I've already speculated elsewhere what it is. After UTM and this game, I fear that I wasn't wrong. [which sucks, because there are few members of the fanbase who were more excited to see us hire a System coach than I was when I heard the news that we hired Marshall's coach]

There is no reason why a team with as athletic of a roster as Tennessee's, with a system like Kim's, against a mid-major that had players playing 38+ minutes vs a Caldwell team should even be close in margin, and yet the fact that it was is, IMO, a massive concern of whether coach's S&C programme is even getting close to the peak performance out of her players on gameday. Counting the exhibition, that's now a 3rd consecutive game we've gotten fewer steals than the previous. And, naturally, a 3rd consecutive game with fewer points than the previous.

And I hate that some people may think that my criticisms are coming from a place of wanting Kim to fail, when it couldn't be further from the truth. I am a strong believer that unless the rules of the game ever change someday in a way that hurts the system this system is the most effective way to play ball. Very few teams run it in both men's and women's college ball, so it's not really seen a test at the highest level. UT is that big first test. And it can and will succeed if it isn't held back in some way.

But messing up S&C, such that you aren't getting anywhere near the 110% effort that you need to maximize the strengths of the system, is absolutely a way to keep your team from reaching its full potential. [and that's without even mentioning concerns about injuries]
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We had to pull back on the press a lot due to the way the game was being officiated. We were in foul trouble in the second half so we had to soften it up. Any contact the MTSU players were acting like they got hit by a truck and the officials were obliging with a whistle every single time.
 
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glv98 said:
I get it already. Designed to be effective not efficient. At least it's an interesting concept. I just can't stop thinking being efficient would be so much less trouble.
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40 and 35 is reasonably efficient, truly.

Could be better, but that’s not as inefficient as you’re making it out to be.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Don't knock Maddie
and yes, the PG could make ANY SEC team and the other one could make most...

But, it is YOU so I shouldn't expect anything but this...
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So you are doubling down on your statement that the two MTSU guards could play for ANY SEC team, right? Those were your words, not mine. Btw, how is SEC Maddie doing in her “league” ? You are so predictable.
 
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RespectAPA said:
I think if the standard for a press is the kind of somewhat soft full-court press that you see other schools do, then the positivity from a few posters regarding today's press performance would make sense.

But we've already demonstrated, the standards for our press should be way higher. Look at what we did against Samford and Carson-Newman. We hardly saw any of that today, and it's why we saw an opponent get to 75, instead of 49, 53, 50 that we've previously allowed. MTSU is better than Samford and Carson-Newman, sure, but they aren't 40+ points better. The Lady Vols on those two nights could have beaten anyone. The Lady Vols today would have lost by 20 to the top of the NCAA. Something is wrong, and I've already speculated elsewhere what it is. After UTM and this game, I fear that I wasn't wrong. [which sucks, because there are few members of the fanbase who were more excited to see us hire a System coach than I was when I heard the news that we hired Marshall's coach]

There is no reason why a team with as athletic of a roster as Tennessee's, with a system like Kim's, against a mid-major that had players playing 38+ minutes vs a Caldwell team should even be close in margin, and yet the fact that it was is, IMO, a massive concern of whether coach's S&C programme is even getting close to the peak performance out of her players on gameday. Counting the exhibition, that's now a 3rd consecutive game we've gotten fewer steals than the previous. And, naturally, a 3rd consecutive game with fewer points than the previous.

And I hate that some people may think that my criticisms are coming from a place of wanting Kim to fail, when it couldn't be further from the truth. I am a strong believer that unless the rules of the game ever change someday in a way that hurts the system this system is the most effective way to play ball. Very few teams run it in both men's and women's college ball, so it's not really seen a test at the highest level. UT is that big first test. And it can and will succeed if it isn't held back in some way.

But messing up S&C, such that you aren't getting anywhere near the 110% effort that you need to maximize the strengths of the system, is absolutely a way to keep your team from reaching its full potential. [and that's without even mentioning concerns about injuries]
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What is this? Wow man at this point it’s becoming embarrassing.
Time to move on to the next game.
 
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RespectAPA said:
I am a strong believer that unless the rules of the game ever change someday in a way that hurts the system this system is the most effective way to play ball. Very few teams run it in both men's and women's college ball, so it's not really seen a test at the highest level. UT is that big first test.
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Those seem to be contradictory statements. If it's most effective, why do very few teams run it? Dawn Staley certainly has the horses for it. So do others. You'd think they'd at least try it.
 
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glv98 said:
Have been reminded several times lately that there's no such thing (hardly) as a bad shot around here any more. The point is to chuck enough up that you'll eventually hit enough to win, esp if you also outrebound and turn over the other team. They don't put much value on fg %,. Quantity over quality.
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Coach does want Volume shots but she as stated over and over we need to move defense more in half court. Volume shots come on steals turnovers shouldn't come with first available shot in half court and Kim as said herself. Still work in progress. Acts 4:11-12
 
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Game stats:
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Just enjoyed a good game where we were finally challenged a little
DOn't feel like defending every word, so I think I will "Snagglepuss" it and
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VolBall09 said:
40 and 35 is reasonably efficient, truly.

Could be better, but that’s not as inefficient as you’re making it out to be.
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Agree to disagree. I think it was actually worse than the final stats make it look. Only that high bc Tess got hot at the end. And yes, I realize those count but against better competition, a first 3 qtrs of 3 pt shooting like tonight and we'll be in real trouble. And we've struggled there all 3 games, except Spencer, thank God for her. I'll say again, we have to find some consistency fm 3.
 
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glv98 said:
Those seem to be contradictory statements. If it's most effective, why do very few teams run it? Dawn Staley certainly has the horses for it. So do others. You'd think they'd at least try it.
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Because it was invented at one place, and its spread has been very slow.

It won the D2 National Championship with Caldwell's Glenville State, it has won a D2 Men's National Championship at Nova Southeastern (and they went to back-to-back natty games, didn't get the second one though) in just the past few years, and I think that's good enough reason on its own to think that the future is very, very bright for the System.
 
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glv98 said:
Agree to disagree. I think it was actually worse than the final stats make it look. Only that high bc Tess got hot at the end. And yes, I realize those count but against better competition, a first 3 qtrs of 3 pt shooting like tonight and we'll be in real trouble. And we've struggled there all 3 games, except Spencer, thank God for her. I'll say again, we have to find some consistency fm 3.
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That’s why u play 4 quarters and not 3? Idk what point you are trying to make but it’s not landing.
 
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RespectAPA said:
Because it was invented at one place, and its spread has been very slow.

It won the D2 National Championship with Caldwell's Glenville State, it has won a D2 Men's National Championship at Nova Southeastern (and they went to back-to-back natty games, didn't get the second one though) in just the past few years, and I think that's good enough reason on its own to think that the future is very, very bright for the System.
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Maryland and Ohio State started trying to do it in WBB the last couple years but haven’t had the 3 point shooters they need.

Maryland has the shooters this season but their half court defense is atrocious. Their press is pretty successful though.
 
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