Game Thread: MTSU v Lady Vols, Tues. Nov 12th; Home-FCC; 6:30PM; SEC+ network: win 89-75

[Rooster1]

Because it was invented at one place, and its spread has been very slow.

It won the D2 National Championship with Caldwell's Glenville State, it has won a D2 Men's National Championship at Nova Southeastern (and they went to back-to-back natty games, didn't get the second one though) in just the past few years, and I think that's good enough reason on its own to think that the future is very, very bright for the System.

I’ll say this, I’m still a believer that CKC can be onto something new and not explored fully yet. I think the metrics favor a system like hers when you have a deep team that is quality and athletic, which she has here at UT.

 

[glv98]

Maryland and Ohio State started trying to do it in WBB the last couple years but haven’t had the 3 point shooters they need.

Maryland has the shooters this season but their half court defense is atrocious. Their press is pretty successful though.

Ohio State D for sure. They ripped us a new one in the season opener 2 yrs ago w their press. But they played a pretty standard O when not scoring off t,o,s.

And really, this is a Pat Summit classic D. Pressing, overplaying, points off t.o.s and crashing the board.

I have the biggest problem w the offense, which seems frantic like the D.

 

[VolBall09]

I’ll say this, I’m still a believer that CKC can be onto something new and not explored fully yet. I think the metrics favor a system like hers when you have a deep team that is quality and athletic, which she has here at UT.

And it’s only going to get better. As she gets her own players and less athletic players move on it’s going to get fun.

The class we have coming next year is already a great fit for this. Add Civil and 1-2 quality transfer and we are crazy dangerous.

I’m still bummed we didn’t land Nye. I do think she was coming and then something happened. Idk what, but something. She would have been the perfect player for this system.

 

[glv98]

I’ll say this, I’m still a believer that CKC can be onto something new and not explored fully yet.

What would that be?

 

[glv98]

And it’s only going to get better. As she gets her own players and less athletic players move on it’s going to get fun.

The class we have coming next year is already a great fit for this. Add Civil and 1-2 quality transfer and we are crazy dangerous.

I’m still bummed we didn’t land Nye. I do think she was coming and then something happened. Idk what, but something. She would have been the perfect player for this system.

Agree, in fact agree twice. This will get better as athleticism increases even more and is accompanied by skills. Which the new recruits have.

Also agree about Nye, have said it before. That's the consistent 3 ball shooter we needed.

 

[Rooster1]

And it’s only going to get better. As she gets her own players and less athletic players move on it’s going to get fun.

The class we have coming next year is already a great fit for this. Add Civil and 1-2 quality transfer and we are crazy dangerous.

I’m still bummed we didn’t land Nye. I do think she was coming and then something happened. Idk what, but something. She would have been the perfect player for this system.

She might end up at UT before it’s all said and done, NC might implode this season. I think Uconn will embarrass them on Friday. Might be the start of a long season.

 

[glv98]

She might end up at UT before it’s all said and done, NC might implode this season. I think Uconn will embarrass them on Friday. Might be the start of a long season.

Talking about Nye fm Alabama. I think you're thinking about Nyla Brooks who went to NC.

Nye seemed to be following Tubner here, than went back to Ala w the rest of her class who returned to Bama. They're going to be really good this year.

 

[Rooster1]

Talking about Nye fm Alabama. I think you're thinking about Nyla Brooks who went to NC.

Nye seemed to be following Tubner here, than went back to Ala w the rest of her class who returned to Bama. They're going to be really good this year.

Yep, my bad, was thinking Nyla. Thoughts on her remain the same. She is a Cooper type athlete born to play in CKC’s system. You can tell I’m getting older, not as sharp as I once was but I’m as sharp once as I ever was RIP Toby Keith.

Btw, Go Army!

 

[newladyvolfan]

And it’s only going to get better. As she gets her own players and less athletic players move on it’s going to get fun.

The class we have coming next year is already a great fit for this. Add Civil and 1-2 quality transfer and we are crazy dangerous.

I’m still bummed we didn’t land Nye. I do think she was coming and then something happened. Idk what, but something. She would have been the perfect player for this system.

She was coming but

 

[KnoxLikeUs]

Agree 100% on Latham.

She’s going to click soon and give this team another dimension. Her and Kaniya Boyd are going to be really good.

I’ll say this, I’m still a believer that CKC can be onto something new and not explored fully yet. I think the metrics favor a system like hers when you have a deep team that is quality and athletic, which she has here at UT.

The Coach Caldwell’s system is absolutely going to thrive. We are seeing flashes of outstanding basketball in the early phase.
People on the outside or those opposed to it for their own personal reasons are going to nitpick no matter what so I’ll never give their opinions any thought.
Just when you listen to the commentators, coaches, players, recruits, parents, opposing fans, and LV fans speak you hear people talking about how fun and exciting this brand is. And it’s winning basketball. People throw all those schemes and systems out there to make comparisons. There’s only one comparison to the excitement and high octane style… that’s the Steve Nash led Phoenix Suns under Coach Mike D’Antoni! Once it clicks the LVs will be one of the most watched teams in WBB and Coach Caldwell will continue to be one of the most winningest coaches in college!

 

[chuckiepoo]

Several Lady Vol teams in the past would’ve folded when MTSU made their run and most likely ended up losing, this team on the other hand , closed the door and took care of business down the stretch. Lots to work on, but nice win for sure! Got our lick back. One down, several more to go.

 

[RespectAPA]

I’ll say this, I’m still a believer that CKC can be onto something new and not explored fully yet. I think the metrics favor a system like hers when you have a deep team that is quality and athletic, which she has here at UT.

100%. Which is where my frustration comes from with having that athleticism be on display vs. C-N, Samford, yet seemingly vanished against the first decent D1 team we play. I don't think the Lady Vols from 2 weeks ago let MTSU score 75 points, in my opinion. The team then was bringing tons of energy — not only in the full-court press, but even in the half-court D. Didn't see it that way tonight, but maybe that's my BVS coming out.

Either (a) I'm wrong about her system and the metrics/analytics being in its favor, as you say, or (b) the only way she fails here at UT is by failing on the S&C end and getting bullied by stronger teams (whose conditioning goes further than "let's do a bunch of cardio and have practices be even harder on your body than the games", which IMO can make you mentally strong, but softer physically than actual SEC S&C) come time to play against competition a bit stronger than the Mountain East and Sun Belt had.

And I hope I'm wrong about everything I'm saying. I'm sorry if I've given anyone, particularly thinking of Knox, second-hand cringe from what I've said, but it's coming from a place of wanting her to succeed (both as a Lady Vol fan and as a Grinnell System fan), with a fear that preserving her D2 S&C programme in her move to D1 won't work in the SEC. The UTM game was a bit concerning, and tonight's game far from relieved my concerns on this end. To let MTSU run their starters almost the entire game, and not drive them to fatigue to the point where they had to go the bench is a really bad look. Our system is supposed to be all about wearing out the opponent with better conditioning and playing the game around our conditioning and depth winning out in the end. Yet MTSU played 4 of their starters 38+ minutes, and they only lost by 14 . . . ? That's a red flag for Kim's team come conference time, unless they're able to make adjustments.

 

[volfan__18]

100%. Which is where my frustration comes from with having that athleticism be on display vs. C-N, Samford, yet seemingly vanished against the first decent D1 team we play. I don't think the Lady Vols from 2 weeks ago let MTSU score 75 points, in my opinion. The team then was bringing tons of energy — not only in the full-court press, but even in the half-court D. Didn't see it that way tonight, but maybe that's my BVS coming out.

Either (a) I'm wrong about her system and the metrics/analytics being in its favor, as you say, or (b) the only way she fails here at UT is by failing on the S&C end and getting bullied by stronger teams (whose conditioning goes further than "let's do a bunch of cardio and have practices be even harder on your body than the games", which IMO can make you mentally strong, but softer physically than actual SEC S&C) come time to play against competition a bit stronger than the Mountain East and Sun Belt had.

And I hope I'm wrong about everything I'm saying. I'm sorry if I've given anyone, particularly Knox, second-hand cringe from what I've said, but it's coming from a place of wanting her to succeed, with a fear that preserving her D2 S&C programme won't work in the SEC. The UTM game was a bit concerning, and tonight's game far from relieved my concerns on this end. To let MTSU run their starters almost the entire game, and not drive them to fatigue to the point where they had to go the bench is a really bad look. Our system is supposed to be all about wearing out the opponent with better conditioning and playing the game around our conditioning and depth winning out in the end. MTSU played 4 starters 38+ minutes, and they only lost by 14 . . . ? That's a red flag for Kim's team come conference time, unless they're able to make adjustments.

You can tell a team is tired when they miss free throws which MTSU was doing at a high rate at the end of the game. Their bench is very thin there was no chance any of his starters was coming out. The press isn’t going to turn every team over 30 times a game. Some nights it’s going to be great and other nights it might not. It’s a new system this team is still learning. Give it time.

 

[VolBall09]

She might end up at UT before it’s all said and done, NC might implode this season. I think Uconn will embarrass them on Friday. Might be the start of a long season.

I’m talking about Aaliyah Nye at Alabama. Not Nyla Brooks.

I believe Nye will be out of eligibility. She is dead eye 3 point shooter. Just on target, shot so sweet.

I’m not sure I see this staff pursuing Nyla. People like to talk about DJ Pauldo but he just strikes me as proud. He’s very supportive of other kids too. Nyla’s uncle is a mess.

 

[Special Ed]

Highlights on Youtube:

 

[VolBall09]

Don't knock Maddie
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But, it is YOU so I shouldn't expect anything but this...
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Dude. Give it up. Hawk barely getting minutes at Wofford.

 

[KnoxLikeUs]

And it’s only going to get better. As she gets her own players and less athletic players move on it’s going to get fun.

The class we have coming next year is already a great fit for this. Add Civil and 1-2 quality transfer and we are crazy dangerous.

I’m still bummed we didn’t land Nye. I do think she was coming and then something happened. Idk what, but something. She would have been the perfect player for this system.

A few things. I’ve watched Nye three times against Tennessee.
In two of those games, not only was she outplayed mightily by Jewel Spear, Sara Puckett, and other guards/forwards on the LV team but she was a complete no show in those games.
Scored like 6 pts at the most in each game. That is the same thing folks around her blast Jewel Spear and Sara Puckett about when they have a tough game/stretch.
We don’t need Nye.
You’ll see when Alabama plays Tennessee this season when she has to go up against Ruby Whitehorn and Talaysia Cooper it will be an incredible mismatch for Tennessee.
If Puckett calms down and just settled into the game she would be a more consistent player. Going back to to her freshman year, she never seem this flustered on the court.
It certainly has been unforeseen to watch these ups and downs the past three seasons.

 

[Dak1219]

Talking about Nye fm Alabama. I think you're thinking about Nyla Brooks who went to NC.

Nye seemed to be following Tubner here, than went back to Ala w the rest of her class who returned to Bama. They're going to be really good this yeyear.

They are really good with Sarah Ashley Barker and Nye in the back court and Zaay Green running the point. Forgot how fast and long Zaay was. I still think she has the skills to play in the W if she is not collecting Medicare benefits by the time she finishes college basketball.

 

[Rooster1]

I’m talking about Aaliyah Nye at Alabama. Not Nyla Brooks.

I believe Nye will be out of eligibility. She is dead eye 3 point shooter. Just on target, shot so sweet.

I’m not sure I see this staff pursuing Nyla. People like to talk about DJ Pauldo but he just strikes me as proud. He’s very supportive of other kids too. Nyla’s uncle is a mess.

Yeah, look above, I admitted the mistake. I’m Slipping 09.

 

[glv98]

Nm

 

[Dak1219]

A few things. I’ve watched Nye three times against Tennessee. In two of those games, not only was outplayed mightily by Sara Puckett and other guards/forwards but she completely was a no show in the game. Scored like 6 pts in each game. That is same thing folks around her blast Jewel Spear about when she has tough game/stretch.
We don’t need Nye.
You’ll see when Alabama plays Tennessee this season that her against Ruby Whitehorn and Talaysia Cooper will be an incredible mismatch for Tennessee.
If Puckett calms down and just settled into the game she would be a more consistent player. Going back to to her freshman year, she never seem this flustered on the court.
It certainly has been unforeseen to watch these ups and downs the past three seasons.

You need to add Zaay Green to that list of players at Alabama, is a 6-2 point guard and just as athletic anyone we have at Tennessee.

 

[KnoxLikeUs]

You need to add Zaay Green to that list of players at Alabama, is a 6-2 point guard and just as athletic anyone we have at Tennessee.

I don’t need to add anyone to the list.. she is far from as athletic as anyone from Tennessee.

 

[Mafiaboss]

100%. Which is where my frustration comes from with having that athleticism be on display vs. C-N, Samford, yet seemingly vanished against the first decent D1 team we play. I don't think the Lady Vols from 2 weeks ago let MTSU score 75 points, in my opinion. The team then was bringing tons of energy — not only in the full-court press, but even in the half-court D. Didn't see it that way tonight, but maybe that's my BVS coming out.

Either (a) I'm wrong about her system and the metrics/analytics being in its favor, as you say, or (b) the only way she fails here at UT is by failing on the S&C end and getting bullied by stronger teams (whose conditioning goes further than "let's do a bunch of cardio and have practices be even harder on your body than the games", which IMO can make you mentally strong, but softer physically than actual SEC S&C) come time to play against competition a bit stronger than the Mountain East and Sun Belt had.

And I hope I'm wrong about everything I'm saying. I'm sorry if I've given anyone, particularly thinking of Knox, second-hand cringe from what I've said, but it's coming from a place of wanting her to succeed (both as a Lady Vol fan and as a Grinnell System fan), with a fear that preserving her D2 S&C programme in her move to D1 won't work in the SEC. The UTM game was a bit concerning, and tonight's game far from relieved my concerns on this end. To let MTSU run their starters almost the entire game, and not drive them to fatigue to the point where they had to go the bench is a really bad look. Our system is supposed to be all about wearing out the opponent with better conditioning and playing the game around our conditioning and depth winning out in the end. Yet MTSU played 4 of their starters 38+ minutes, and they only lost by 14 . . . ? That's a red flag for Kim's team come conference time, unless they're able to make adjustments.

I disagree.

 

[Dak1219]

I don’t need to add anyone to the list.. she is far from as athletic as anyone from Tennessee.

Then you're confused. When we had Zaay as a freshman at Tennessee she was as athletic as anyone on this current team. She is More so now and shows no affects of ever having an ACL tear that she had her sophomore year.

 

[glv98]

100%. Which is where my frustration comes from with having that athleticism be on display vs. C-N, Samford, yet seemingly vanished against the first decent D1 team we play. I don't think the Lady Vols from 2 weeks ago let MTSU score 75 points, in my opinion. The team then was bringing tons of energy — not only in the full-court press, but even in the half-court D. Didn't see it that way tonight, but maybe that's my BVS coming out.

Either (a) I'm wrong about her system and the metrics/analytics being in its favor, as you say, or (b) the only way she fails here at UT is by failing on the S&C end and getting bullied by stronger teams (whose conditioning goes further than "let's do a bunch of cardio and have practices be even harder on your body than the games", which IMO can make you mentally strong, but softer physically than actual SEC S&C) come time to play against competition a bit stronger than the Mountain East and Sun

Could also fail if opponent is talented enough to break your press, big enough to stay with you on the boards, and deep enough to avoid getting worn down. Like the top teams in the SEC.