Gators hot for Franklin

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Orange_Crush said:
You should be more careful with those words you are using... The word "every" means something in debates-- similar to "never", "always", etc... Vandy was coming off of a bowl appearance just three years before Franklin got there. Vandy coaches before Franklin beat UT-- sometimes when we were down, sometimes when we weren't.
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Fair enough. I'll revise:

Every coach lost those games, except for about 3 or 4 years going back about 5 decades. Other than Franklin's current streak, Vandy has only had back-to-back winning season once in over 50 years.
 
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bamawriter said:
Fair enough. I'll revise:

Every coach lost those games, except for about 3 or 4 years going back about 5 decades. Other than Franklin's current streak, Vandy has only had back-to-back winning season once in over 50 years.
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And you seemed to agree with me that Franklin walked into a very fortunate time in the SEC to do that:

Has he beaten a world beater? No. Has he been fortunate with some of the matchups? Absolutely.
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I really don't see a lot of reason to pick nits and argue here.

I stand by my assertion that he is largely unproven when it comes to the caliber of coaches that UF will and should be looking at. It has nothing to do with my personal feelings about the man. If it was about hating on him, I'd hate to see him advance. But due to my genuine feelings that he is largely unproven, my two choices for the UF coaching job would be:

  1. UF keeps Muschamp.
  2. UF goes with a largely unproven coach that has never beaten anyone of significance.


Again, "Well, Franklin was supposed to only win against mediocre teams" isn't really the endorsement UF's AD is going to hang his name on with a hire. I just don't see him bird-dogging James Franklin for the job.
 
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bamawriter said:
Let me try to simplify this for you:

HE. DID. IT. AT. VANDERBILT.

Has he beaten a world beater? No. Has he been fortunate with some of the matchups? Absolutely. But every Vandy coach before him lost under similar circumstances. Before Franklin, it did not matter how beat up or mediocre a team was, that team still beat Vandy.

I get why you don't like the guy. I get why you don't respect the guy. But if you don't understand why everyone outside of the UT fanbase likes and respects him, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Thank you. Going to 3 straight bowl games and having a shot at back to back 9 W seasons at Vandy?? Kids love the dude, he gets people excited about Vanderbilt football. I love Tennessee and I will until I die. But, I would have to be stupid to overlook what he has done there. He's a great coach--him going to UF is scary.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Are you claiming that Franklin has beaten any one of those teams while they were at full strength?

In 2011, he beat Ole Miss and UK.
In 2012, he beat abysmal, Missu, Kentucky, Ole MIss, Auburn and UT teams.
In 2013, he beat a depleted UGA, and abysmal UF, UT and UK teams. (He struggled against that abysmal UK team, and needed a late charge to win against that abysmal UT team, by the way).

Stated like that, it does look as though he walked into a VERY fortunate state of the SEC East.

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. I am saying he has not proven that he is worthy of the jobs he's being hyped for, and I'd rather see UF get an unproven coach than someone who has proven he'd come in and return UF to beasts in the SEC.
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A win is a win
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, let me follow your logic... Because UT sucks, Franklin is a great coach?
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What makes us suck? Cause we're losing? Of course when we're at our strongest I.e. '98, Franklin wouldn't beat us with the talent he has currently. But that's the world of sports, you can't say he's not a good coach because he hasn't beaten the best UT teams we've ever fielded. Straight up offer sheets, I'd say most would take our roster over Vandy's. We're being beat by teams with better coaches and less talent on paper. Franklin and Pinkel have taken 2*-3* talent and wiped the floor with us. So yes I believe Franklin is a good coach. He's recruited FL pretty well and would have an easier time at UF.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
What makes us suck? Cause we're losing? Of course when we're at our strongest I.e. '98, Franklin wouldn't beat us with the talent he has currently. But that's the world of sports, you can't say he's not a good coach because he hasn't beaten the best UT teams we've ever fielded. Straight up offer sheets, I'd say most would take our roster over Vandy's. We're being beat by teams with better coaches and less talent on paper. Franklin and Pinkel have taken 2*-3* talent and wiped the floor with us. So yes I believe Franklin is a good coach. He's recruited FL pretty well and would have an easier time at UF.
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Therein lies your problem. I never said he's not a good coach. He may prove to be. I said he is an unproven coach. That is not what UF needs right now-- a 3 year HC who has never beaten anyone of significance.
 
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A Florida official came out today saying that Muschamp will be the coach in 2014. Now, if Sumlin goes to USC and Texas A&M comes calling Franklin...could be interesting.
 
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It's great the UF is throwing all this support behind Muschamp. But let them get blown at home this week, and all bets are off.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Whatever. The entire reason we are talking about coaching replacements is a UF loss to GSU. A win is not a win, and a loss is not a loss.
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we sucked before that hell it wasnt even a surprising loss to me and im sure plenty of others that watched our boring ass offense and uninspired football players every week saw it coming too

the players are there for a good coach to go to atlanta next yr imo thats why foley being so stubborn pisses me off it would be hands down the most nfl caliber players franklin ever had to work with


bamawriter said:
It's great the UF is throwing all this support behind Muschamp. But let them get blown at home this week, and all bets are off.
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im hoping the boosters make something happen soon after this happens
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
we sucked before that hell it wasnt even a surprising loss to me and im sure plenty of others that watched our boring ass offense and uninspired football players every week saw it coming too

the players are there for a good coach to go to atlanta next yr imo thats why foley being so stubborn pisses me off it would be hands down the most nfl caliber players franklin ever had to work with
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I agree with the part that this is an unacceptable situation. Yes, we have had a ton of injuries, yes there have been a lot of disappointments, but the team to me seems in complete disarray. They've given up.

And that is squarely on Muschamp. I'd fire him if I were Foley.
 
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I seriously think Florida firing Muschamp would be a mistake. The 11-2 season last year wasn't a fluke, IMO. I still think he's a good coach whose team just happened to get completely decimated by injuries this year.

It seems like there's about a 50/50 shot of getting a great coach even at traditional powerhouse schools. I'm not sure it's worth rolling the dice at UF right now unless they can lure someone proven away from another school.
 
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It is kind of the position that Dooley was in when Sunseri was hired. Florida clearly must make a change at OC but it will be difficult to get someone to join a staff where there is a lack of long term security. They should fire Muschamp.
 
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Florida's problem is not Muschamp in my own opinion. They have had top notch defenses every year under him. They have not had any playmakers on the outside and absolutely no QB and no offensive continuity with 3 O coordinators in 4 years.
 
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bamawriter said:
Couldn't disagree more. Franklin has proven himself to be a really good coach. Kiffin hadn't proven anything of the kind when UT picked him up.
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I don't mean exactly, but I mean as far as hype as getting it done at the highest level.

I give Franklin credit, but I also continue to point out he's greatly benefitted from a weak schedule combined with some very fortunate times to play the big schools. I think he's a pretty decent gamble for a big program to take a risk on.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Except Franklin's winning 9 games at Vandy. I can't stand the guy and his antics but I'm doing questioning his coaching/motivating ability. We haven't beaten UGA, UF and Vandy in the same season since 2004. It took him all of 3 yrs.
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I'm not saying he doesn't deserve consideration; but he's beating us at a time that we're at our worst in 100 years. You can't deny he's greatly benefitting from it.
 
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utvolpj said:
no one's excited about Vandy football
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This; which is why I'm pretty certain Franklin will jump at the first better job.

The only people seemingly excited about VU football are people outside of VU. There hasn't been some big swing in season ticket sales, in fact this year they may have had less than last year.

If anything gets him to leave, it will be the inability to get a rabid fanbase going.
 
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I realize that some people refuse to acknowledge it but Franklin had the table laid for him with all the players that Bobby and Robbie redshirted. Franklin has fired all of Vandys bullets and they're headed back to the dark side of the moon for awhile. If Franklin stays and continues to win there I'll be impressed but I fully expect him to bolt now before the job gets a lot harder.
 
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bamawriter said:
Let me try to simplify this for you:

HE. DID. IT. AT. VANDERBILT.

Has he beaten a world beater? No. Has he been fortunate with some of the matchups? Absolutely. But every Vandy coach before him lost under similar circumstances. Before Franklin, it did not matter how beat up or mediocre a team was, that team still beat Vandy.

I get why you don't like the guy. I get why you don't respect the guy. But if you don't understand why everyone outside of the UT fanbase likes and respects him, then I don't know what to tell you.
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He is doing what any coach with half a brain should've been doing. Why did Vandy not make many bowl games for years? Because there were only 11 games. You couldn't schedule 4 non-conference cupcakes. Franklin schedules 4 cupcakes and finds ways to get 2 other wins and he's bowl eligible. Couple that with UT stinking since he has been there, UGA and Fla being crippled with injuries this year and he has been able to pick off some low hanging fruit and get to 8 wins the last two years.

I'll give him credit that he has at least won those games when the other Vandy coaches couldn't. However, he has beaten 3 teams with winning records in 3 years. 3. He beat no one with a winning record in his first year, he beat a 7-6 Ole Miss team in his second year, he beat a 7-6 NC State team also in his second year and the other was a UGA team that stands at 7-4 currently. Any team that has been good has usually beaten the brakes off his team. See Mizzou and A & M this year.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This; which is why I'm pretty certain Franklin will jump at the first better job.

The only people seemingly excited about VU football are people outside of VU. There hasn't been some big swing in season ticket sales, in fact this year they may have had less than last year.

If anything gets him to leave, it will be the inability to get a rabid fanbase going.
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Season tix sales will ramp up next year because UT and Fla are on the home slate. Although, Fla might not fill the stadium like they usually do if they are still struggling next year.
 
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