Gators hot for Franklin

[Vol8188]

I have a hard time seeing Florida hiring a coach from Vandy.

Hiring a guy from Duke that beat UT worked out pretty well for them, so why not?

 

[OrangeBalls]

I agree with the part that this is an unacceptable situation. Yes, we have had a ton of injuries, yes there have been a lot of disappointments, but the team to me seems in complete disarray. They've given up.

And that is squarely on Muschamp. I'd fire him if I were Foley.

So, what do you think Foley does? Keep him or fire him? I think he keeps him and Muschamp could get fired in the middle of the year if things don't go well. He should win his first 3 games. Then the going gets tougher.

 

[ukvols]

He is doing what any coach with half a brain should've been doing. Why did Vandy not make many bowl games for years? Because there were only 11 games. You couldn't schedule 4 non-conference cupcakes. Franklin schedules 4 cupcakes and finds ways to get 2 other wins and he's bowl eligible. Couple that with UT stinking since he has been there, UGA and Fla being crippled with injuries this year and he has been able to pick off some low hanging fruit and get to 8 wins the last two years.

I'll give him credit that he has at least won those games when the other Vandy coaches couldn't. However, he has beaten 3 teams with winning records in 3 years. 3. He beat no one with a winning record in his first year, he beat a 7-6 Ole Miss team in his second year, he beat a 7-6 NC State team also in his second year and the other was a UGA team that stands at 7-4 currently. Any team that has been good has usually beaten the brakes off his team. See Mizzou and A & M this year.

Exactly - this is probably why Vandy backed out on Ohio State.
If we had played a cupcake instead of Oregon, we'd be 5-6 right now with a shot at a bowl.

 

[vol-un-tear]

I honestly think a big program going after Franklin will be like us going after Kiffin.

Franklin is winning at Vandy. Kiffin could not even win at SC. I hate it too but he is getting it done. Franklin will not be at Vandy long. A team like Florida or SC will pay $$$ for Franklin

 

[OrangeBalls]

Franklin is winning at Vandy. Kiffin could not even win at SC. I hate it too but he is getting it done. Franklin will not be at Vandy long. A team like Florida or SC will pay $$$ for Franklin

Actually, Kiffin was winning at USC. He just wasn't winning enough for a storied program like USC. Plus, his AD didn't hire him.

He went 8-5, 10-2, 7-6 and he was 3-2 when he was fired this year. An overall 28-15 record. He also had beaten 10 teams with winning records. Hell, UT would kill for that right now. And he did it with a ton of scholarship sanctions.

 

[GVF]

I find it hard to believe that a thread about Vandy football is now 4 pages.

 

[utvolCO]

I don't mean exactly, but I mean as far as hype as getting it done at the highest level.

I give Franklin credit, but I also continue to point out he's greatly benefitted from a weak schedule combined with some very fortunate times to play the big schools. I think he's a pretty decent gamble for a big program to take a risk on.

I personally thing he has proven enough to move up one more tier. Not to an elite program yet, but I think he gets to anyway because of the coach scramble this off season if it happens the way it looks like it might.

 

[Gramps]

I personally thing he has proven enough to move up one more tier. Not to an elite program yet, but I think he gets to anyway because of the coach scramble this off season if it happens the way it looks like it might.

I am not a Franklin fan but he has done an outstanding job at Vandy. Has Vandy every beat TN, GA and FL in the same year before 2013?

 

[utvolCO]

I am not a Franklin fan but he has done an outstanding job at Vandy. Has Vandy every beat TN, GA and FL in the same year before 2013?

Yes I agree, but headcoach of FL or USCw?

 

[dreVol]

I am not a Franklin fan but he has done an outstanding job at Vandy. Has Vandy every beat TN, GA and FL in the same year before 2013?

No. Although FL and TN have never had losing seasons in the same year.

Franklin's teams have won the games they should win. That's an accomplisment, no doubt. But who have they beat that's actually worth a sh**?

EDIT: If anything, having a loss to Doofus on his resume should disqualify him from any prominent head coaching position. Yes, I know our current coach has a similar stain on his resume.

 

[vol-un-tear]

Actually, Kiffin was winning at USC. He just wasn't winning enough for a storied program like USC. Plus, his AD didn't hire him.

He went 8-5, 10-2, 7-6 and he was 3-2 when he was fired this year. An overall 28-15 record. He also had beaten 10 teams with winning records. Hell, UT would kill for that right now. And he did it with a ton of scholarship sanctions.

My point is Franklin is posting similar numbers at all places Vandy. In the SEC.
Yes, Kiffin won games at SC. So could I :wink:

 

[volfanhill]

If you can't see that Franklin is a good coach, recruiter, and motivator then you are just blinded by your hate of their rise and our decline. That's the honest truth. He wins games, his players love him, and Jesus he gets top 25 recruiting classes at Vandy.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

It would be very foolish for Florida to fire Muschamp after this season. He's a good coach. A lot of what happened this year was out of his control.

 

[OrangeBalls]

If you can't see that Franklin is a good coach, recruiter, and motivator then you are just blinded by your hate of their rise and our decline. That's the honest truth. He wins games, his players love him, and Jesus he gets top 25 recruiting classes at Vandy.

He has beaten 3 teams with winning records in 3 years. Bravo. Has he done better than the other colossal failures? Yes, but it just shows how moribund their program was and how completely clueless their administration was for the better part of 80 years.

 

[vol-un-tear]

He has beaten 3 teams with winning records in 3 years. Bravo. Has he done better than the other colossal failures? Yes, but it just shows how moribund their program was and how completely clueless their administration was for the better part of 80 years.

I wish we could win 9 games right about now.

 

[Gramps]

It would be very foolish for Florida to fire Muschamp after this season. He's a good coach. A lot of what happened this year was out of his control.

I read somewhere that the Florida OC and OL would probably be let go but Muschamp gets another year.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I wish we could win 9 games right about now.

If we had their schedule the last couple of years and their fortune of playing teams with crippling injuries we'd be pretty damn close. Anyone with half a brain could've coached that team last year to 8 wins except Dooley.

 

[VOLMEB]

Gators can want Franklin but Franklin wants to be a Trojan.

 

[vol-un-tear]

If we had their schedule the last couple of years and their fortune of playing teams with crippling injuries we'd be pretty damn close. Anyone with half a brain could've coached that team last year to 8 wins except Dooley.

Balls I get it you don't like Franklin. I understand. Coaches for decades have been trying to lead Vandy over Ga, Fla and us. Now all the sudden they are playing a weak schedule, against teams with injuries and winning? There is a reason they are "learning to win". We can agree to disagree. Go Vols!!

 

[OrangeBalls]

Balls I get it you don't like Franklin. I understand. Coaches for decades have been trying to lead Vandy over Ga, Fla and us. Now all the sudden they are playing a weak schedule, against teams with injuries and winning? There is a reason they are "learning to win". We can agree to disagree. Go Vols!!

Yes, I don't like him and his look at me egotistical ways. However, I didn't say he hasn't done a good job. I said that he has done what others should've been doing all along. Schedule four cupcakes in out of conference and line yourself up to win 2 SEC games and you're bowl eligible. He's been lucky in the last 2 years that he has gotten to avoid Bama and LSU and they have Ole Miss as their current West opponent. Now Ole Miss is respectable so that easy win is gone.

Their out of conference slate next year though is pretty embarrassing. Temple, UMASS, Charleston Southern and Old Dominion (who just lost 80-20 to UNC this week). I'd be embarrassed to play those four teams.

You can't just look at the win-loss record. Sometimes you have to dig deeper and see who they actually played and beat. Last year they got Mizzou when the starting QB got hurt in the 1st quarter. They then got a beat up UGA and Fla team this year along with a UT team with a true freshman QB making his 3rd start. I'd say they've gotten some pretty fortunate bounces. Their best win is against an UGA team this year where their own QB went down and their 2nd string QB lead them to a victory. It helped that UGA gifted them two turnovers in the 4th quarter off a dropped punt and the punter dropped a snap with both deep in their own territory. Vandy hasn't been getting those type of bounces for decades. They have for the last couple of years.

 

[BODACIOUS]

Imo, I think CJF lacks some maturity as a head coach. From calling out recruits on Twitter to the "Nicky Satan" comment, he has a real talent for sticking his foot in his mouth.

 

[dreVol]

Imo, I think CJF lacks some maturity as a head coach. From calling out recruits on Twitter to the "Nicky Satan" comment, he has a real talent for sticking his foot in his mouth.

plus he wears transitions lenses

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Yes, I don't like him and his look at me egotistical ways. However, I didn't say he hasn't done a good job. I said that he has done what others should've been doing all along. Schedule four cupcakes in out of conference and line yourself up to win 2 SEC games and you're bowl eligible. He's been lucky in the last 2 years that he has gotten to avoid Bama and LSU and they have Ole Miss as their current West opponent. Now Ole Miss is respectable so that easy win is gone.

Their out of conference slate next year though is pretty embarrassing. Temple, UMASS, Charleston Southern and Old Dominion (who just lost 80-20 to UNC this week). I'd be embarrassed to play those four teams.

You can't just look at the win-loss record. Sometimes you have to dig deeper and see who they actually played and beat. Last year they got Mizzou when the starting QB got hurt in the 1st quarter. They then got a beat up UGA and Fla team this year along with a UT team with a true freshman QB making his 3rd start. I'd say they've gotten some pretty fortunate bounces. Their best win is against an UGA team this year where their own QB went down and their 2nd string QB lead them to a victory. It helped that UGA gifted them two turnovers in the 4th quarter off a dropped punt and the punter dropped a snap with both deep in their own territory. Vandy hasn't been getting those type of bounces for decades. They have for the last couple of years.

Vandy has always played cupcakes. Their OOC schedule regularly consists of a South Carolina FCS opponent then some combo of NW, Duke, WF, Navy and a Sun Belt/CUSA opponent.

And since when have opportune TO's become lucky? Vandy has one of the best TO margins in the SEC, when does that stop being luck and become them making plays?

 

[dreVol]

Vandy has always played cupcakes. Their OOC schedule regularly consists of a South Carolina FCS opponent then some combo of NW, Duke, WF, Navy and a Sun Belt/CUSA opponent.

And since when have opportune TO's become lucky? Vandy has one of the best TO margins in the SEC, when does that stop being luck and become them making plays?

Always played cupcakes? Didn't they do a home and home with Michigan a couple years ago? Also, you'll notice that Vandy dropped the series with Northwestern (originally billed as a rivalry between academic-oriented programs) once NW got competitive.

Vandy didn't always play cupcakes, but Franklin is taking advantage of having 4 built in wins. There's nothing wrong with that approach, but let's not pretend that having 4 guaranteed wins plus beating teams at their lowest points in history makes Franklin the next Saban.

 

[vol-un-tear]

Always played cupcakes? Didn't they do a home and home with Michigan a couple years ago? Also, you'll notice that Vandy dropped the series with Northwestern (originally billed as a rivalry between academic-oriented programs) once NW got competitive.

Vandy didn't always play cupcakes, but Franklin is taking advantage of having 4 built in wins. There's nothing wrong with that approach, but let's not pretend that having 4 guaranteed wins plus beating teams at their lowest points in history makes Franklin the next Saban.

In the past Vandy would figure out a way to lose all the "cupcake" games. Franklin apparently has fixed that. They were the bad news bears until recently.