Gators hot for Franklin

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bamawriter said:
Let me try to simplify this for you:

HE. DID. IT. AT. VANDERBILT.

Has he beaten a world beater? No. Has he been fortunate with some of the matchups? Absolutely. But every Vandy coach before him lost under similar circumstances. Before Franklin, it did not matter how beat up or mediocre a team was, that team still beat Vandy.

I get why you don't like the guy. I get why you don't respect the guy. But if you don't understand why everyone outside of the UT fanbase likes and respects him, then I don't know what to tell you.
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The whole "BUT ITS AT VANDERBILT!!!1!1" angle is a little over done for me.

Bobby Johnson won a bowl game 2 seasons prior to CJF showing up, after a horrendous decades long stretch for Vanderbilt and against a what I consider a stronger SEC East.

As was said earlier, CJF is a decent coach and a worth gamble for a larger program. The next step for him is transitioning to an established program and growing up as an HC. Vandy holds nothing else for him and he'd be wise to take a promotion if offered.
 
#77
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dreVol said:
Always played cupcakes? Didn't they do a home and home with Michigan a couple years ago? Also, you'll notice that Vandy dropped the series with Northwestern (originally billed as a rivalry between academic-oriented programs) once NW got competitive.

Vandy didn't always play cupcakes, but Franklin is taking advantage of having 4 built in wins. There's nothing wrong with that approach, but let's not pretend that having 4 guaranteed wins plus beating teams at their lowest points in history makes Franklin the next Saban.
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Ok a one time series with an elite program. Here's their opponents over the last 6 yrs:

Miami OH, Rice, Duke, WF, WCU, GT, Army, NW, UConn, E. Michigan, Elon, UMass, Presbyterian. Hardly a schedule of champions.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Ok a one time series with an elite program. Here's their opponents over the last 6 yrs:

Miami OH, Rice, Duke, WF, WCU, GT, Army, NW, UConn, E. Michigan, Elon, UMass, Presbyterian. Hardly a schedule of champions.
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6 years =/= Always
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Ok a one time series with an elite program. Here's their opponents over the last 6 yrs:

Miami OH, Rice, Duke, WF, WCU, GT, Army, NW, UConn, E. Michigan, Elon, UMass, Presbyterian. Hardly a schedule of champions.
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I don't mean to suggest that Vandy has played an OOC murderer's row. But it should be pointed out that, in the six seasons you mentioned, Vandy has played more than one BCS opponent 4 times (and they played 3 in 2010).

The only other SEC schools to play multiple BCS OOC opponents in a season during that time frame (number of seasons):

Alabama (x1), Florida (x3), UGA (x4), LSU (x2), & South Carolina (x3).

Vanderbilt could have scheduled a heck of a lot worse.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't mean to suggest that Vandy has played an OOC murderer's row. But it should be pointed out that, in the six seasons you mentioned, Vandy has played more than one BCS opponent 4 times (and they played 3 in 2010).

The only other SEC schools to play multiple BCS OOC opponents in a season during that time frame (number of seasons):

Alabama (x1), Florida (x3), UGA (x4), LSU (x2), & South Carolina (x3).

Vanderbilt could have scheduled a heck of a lot worse.
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Wake forest every year is the reason
 
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BruinVol said:
Clemson

Ga tech

Florida state


All very different than wake.
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Granted. But half the SEC didn't schedule 2 BCS opponents during any one of those 6 seasons. Heck, several teams went multiple years without playing a BCS team once.
 
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bamawriter said:
Granted. But half the SEC didn't schedule 2 BCS opponents during any one of those 6 seasons. Heck, several teams went multiple years without playing a BCS team once.
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Having that built in BCS game makes that much more likely. Geniously vandy has gotten wake as their built in BCS game.
 
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bamawriter said:
That is a temporary set up that ends soon. It's not like Vandy has a long history with Wake.
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Correct on the history. It's been at least 4 years iirc. I would be interested to hear how much longer it last. I think we play vandy the last week next year which might force it to end
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Vandy has always played cupcakes. Their OOC schedule regularly consists of a South Carolina FCS opponent then some combo of NW, Duke, WF, Navy and a Sun Belt/CUSA opponent.

And since when have opportune TO's become lucky? Vandy has one of the best TO margins in the SEC, when does that stop being luck and become them making plays?
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They bought out two Northwestern games and Ohio St. While Northwestern isn't a great program, they're sure as hell better than what they played this year or last year. Northwestern beat them the last two years. They chickened out on Ohio St.

As for the turnovers becoming lucky, I guess you didn't see the 4th quarter of the UGA-Vandy game. Vandy didn't do anything to cause either fumble. The punt returner dropped the ball deep in his own territory and the punter dropped the snap deep in his own territory. Both were gifts. I'd say that's pretty damn lucky and fortunate. Without either one, they lose. Their defense has made plays in other games, but they just fell assbackwards into those.
 
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BruinVol said:
Correct on the history. It's been at least 4 years iirc. I would be interested to hear how much longer it last. I think we play vandy the last week next year which might force it to end
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I believe it does end after this year. The reason they cancelled the Northwestern series was supposedly because they had trouble fitting them in with the addition of Mizzou and A & M. Let's be honest, they wanted four cupcake wins. I can't blame them. We need to do the same thing until we get more established. Some people think it's highway robbery, but if you want the extra practices for the bowl game then you need to do it if you're rebuilding. If we had bought out the Oregon game, we're sitting at 5 wins and needing to beat Ky to go to a bowl. I'd like our chances.
 
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dreVol said:
6 years =/= Always
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That's as far back as the site i found went. Go ahead and use Vandy's schedule as the reason their bowling. Everyone keeps saying all they have to do is pick off two SEC teams and they're in. The thing is they're picking off 4. If you think Vandy's roster is "better" than ours and that's why we're not winning and they are then you're either stupid or blinded by your hate of Franklin. Their roster is only "better" because their players have been developed and ours haven't i.e. coaching i.e. Franklin and Co. The guy is a douche, an ass, a clown, immature etc but he can motivate the hell out of a team and recruit his ass off.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
That's as far back as the site i found went. Go ahead and use Vandy's schedule as the reason their bowling. Everyone keeps saying all they have to do is pick off two SEC teams and they're in. The thing is they're picking off 4. If you think Vandy's roster is "better" than ours and that's why we're not winning and they are then you're either stupid or blinded by your hate of Franklin. Their roster is only "better" because their players have been developed and ours haven't i.e. coaching i.e. Franklin and Co. The guy is a douche, an ass, a clown, immature etc but he can motivate the hell out of a team and recruit his ass off.
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You do realize that he had a Sr QB and a healthy Matthews right? Meanwhile, we had a true freshman at QB starting his third game without his top weapon after the 1st quarter. As soon as Worley hurt his thumb, I knew we would be hard pressed to get to 6 wins.

Say what you want about more talent, but the most important position on the field was being held by a true freshman who wasn't ready. After he threw two early picks, the coaching staff was going to win or lose it riding the offensive line. It miraculously almost worked.

And maybe you need to wait just a little while before you judge whether Butch and the coaching staff has "developed" any talent. This is his first year. Jimmy Frank is in year 3. Did you even know that North had never played WR until he came to UT? He was a RB in high school. I'd say he's developed pretty good so far. I can't wait to see him play the next few years.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You do realize that he had a Sr QB and a healthy Matthews right? Meanwhile, we had a true freshman at QB starting his third game without his top weapon after the 1st quarter. As soon as Worley hurt his thumb, I knew we would be hard pressed to get to 6 wins.

Say what you want about more talent, but the most important position on the field was being held by a true freshman who wasn't ready. After he threw two early picks, the coaching staff was going to win or lose it riding the offensive line. It miraculously almost worked.

And maybe you need to wait just a little while before you judge whether Butch and the coaching staff has "developed" any talent. This is his first year. Jimmy Frank is in year 3. Did you even know that North had never played WR until he came to UT? He was a RB in high school. I'd say he's developed pretty good so far. I can't wait to see him play the next few years.
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I was implying the last 3-5 yrs on development, not Butch's short tenure. If 3 yrs from now he's still losing to Vandy and Franklin then we have problems.
 
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#92
#92
bowlinggreenvol said:
I was implying the last 3-5 yrs on development, not Butch's short tenure. If 3 yrs from now he's still losing to Vandy and Franklin then we have problems.
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If we're losing to Vanderbilt 3 years from now, Vandy better be winning the SEC. Otherwise, we might as well give up hope that we're going to be dominant ever again.
 
#93
#93
bowlinggreenvol said:
I was implying the last 3-5 yrs on development, not Butch's short tenure. If 3 yrs from now he's still losing to Vandy and Franklin then we have problems.
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Next year will be more like this year. We lose a lot off both lines even though the offensive line underachieved this year. In year 3, we'll know more about what we have coaching wise and talent wise. If the recruits live up to their billing, 7-8 wins should be a given every year. By year 4-5, we'll truly be able to compete if the recruiting classes continue to be good.
 
#94
#94
OrangeBalls said:
Next year will be more like this year. We lose a lot off both lines even though the offensive line underachieved this year. In year 3, we'll know more about what we have coaching wise and talent wise. If the recruits live up to their billing, 7-8 wins should be a given every year. By year 4-5, we'll truly be able to compete if the recruiting classes continue to be good.
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Next year may be rough, but I think our lines will be much improved.
 
#96
#96
bamawriter said:
Couldn't disagree more. Franklin has proven himself to be a really good coach. Kiffin hadn't proven anything of the kind when UT picked him up.
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Couldn't disagree more. He's not proven himself as a good coach. What good team has he beat? Vandy hasn't beaten a team like Alabama. The teams they're beating are big name SEC schools that pretty much down/rebuilding or they just plain stink and yes Georgia and Florida are two of the teams that fit into that category....not the stink,but the down,or completely overrated category.

For goodness sake they barely beat Tennessee,and the Vols look like a JV team.

Wait give me the awesome bowl game stats! How many straight? It's real hard to make it into a bowl game in this day and time with all the games played,stupid amount of bowl games and the OOC cupcake schedule that they play.
 
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orangepeel said:
Couldn't disagree more. He's not proven himself as a good coach. What good team has he beat? Vandy hasn't beaten a team like Alabama. The teams they're beating are big name SEC schools that pretty much down/rebuilding or they just plain stink and yes Georgia and Florida are two of the teams that fit into that category....not the stink,but the down,or completely overrated category.

For goodness sake they barely beat Tennessee,and the Vols look like a JV team.

Wait give me the awesome bowl game stats! How many straight? It's real hard to make it into a bowl game in this day and time with all the games played,stupid amount of bowl games and the OOC cupcake schedule that they play.
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I love the UT fans who want to pretend that the head coach at Vandy should be held to the same standard as the head coach at UGA, Alabama, Florida, etc.
 
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#98
I'm going to predict he jumps ship. He's basically begging Vandy fans to come out Saturday, as it's looking like they are struggling to fill the stadium for Senior Day.

That's just crazy.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm going to predict he jumps ship. He's basically begging Vandy fans to come out Saturday, as it's looking like they are struggling to fill the stadium for Senior Day.

That's just crazy.
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I think he's done well at Vandy. I also think someone like him will get real tired of dealing with crap like begging fans to come to the game. He's out at the first oppertunity.
 
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#100
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orangeslice13 said:
I think he's done well at Vandy. I also think someone like him will get real tired of dealing with crap like begging fans to come to the game. He's out at the first oppertunity.
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Agree. There isn't 39k fans to fill that stadium? It's gotta be making him crazy.
He will not have to work AS hard at SC
 
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