General McChrystal opens mouth, inserts foot

#51
#51
that man spent his whole (and short) senate career bashing the iraq war, his (and your) party basically accused soldiers of being rapist and murders by him and his fellow politicians. now, this fool is the leader of the same guys. this guy doesn't give a rat's butt about the military.


Wrong on so many levels.
 
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"All options are on the table," Gibbs said, though the president believes the general should be given a chance to explain himself. Gibbs declined to say whether the general's job is safe, saying the public would know more after the meeting.

How magnanimous of His Majesty, the King!!! :banghead2:
 
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How magnanimous of His Majesty, the King!!! :banghead2:


I'd be zero tolerance on this. No chance to explain squat. If you said it, you said it, and you are O-U-T.

There is no room for public dissent like this within the chain of command, especially if it is intended to or could have the effect of destroying morale for those actually doing the fighting.

You don't like the way its being done? Wait and write your memoir years later. Or, if you feel compelled to say something now, report up the lines and within channels. Don't go at it sideways through freaking Rolling Stone.
 
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I'd be zero tolerance on this. No chance to explain squat. If you said it, you said it, and you are O-U-T.

There is no room for public dissent like this within the chain of command, especially if it is intended to or could have the effect of destroying morale for those actually doing the fighting.

You don't like the way its being done? Wait and write your memoir years later. Or, if you feel compelled to say something now, report up the lines and within channels. Don't go at it sideways through freaking Rolling Stone.

you must realize the irony of this rant of yours. . .
 
#59
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"There is no room for public dissent"


I laughed hard Lg. Keep blowing smoke and telling me its cloudy.
 
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I'd be zero tolerance on this. No chance to explain squat. If you said it, you said it, and you are O-U-T.

This doesn't make any sense. At least figure out the genesis of the problem and try to make it better. In the end, he's absolutely right in his comments.

There is no room for public dissent like this within the chain of command, especially if it is intended to or could have the effect of destroying morale for those actually doing the fighting.

destroy morale? You need to stick to all of your over the top histrionics about Beck and Palin. You're clearly lost here. The vast majority know that Obama has been bowing and apologizing. They also know McChrystal has their best interests at heart. He might have been egotistical about this and playing politics, but his issue is the soldiers. If morale issues are your concern, you need to be absolutely obliterating Clinton and doing worse to Obama.

You don't like the way its being done? Wait and write your memoir years later. Or, if you feel compelled to say something now, report up the lines and within channels. Don't go at it sideways through freaking Rolling Stone.

You make it sound as if the message is being heard. Have you seen anything about our new ROE since McChrystal took over? I would sooner slap the president than ask my men to operate the way he's being forced to operate.

see bold.
 
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Got one!!! bzzzzzzzzzzzz...

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has anyone noticed how quickly Obama acts when he is criticized? He gets real decisive when he feels his ego being bruised. A commenter at political mused that perhaps Gov. Jindal and the BP chairman should have started criticizing Obama shortly after the explosion.
 
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Can't say that I blame him though.

word is that Obama is going to replace the General with a lawyer

It will have to be a lawyer who studied sharia law, that's the court we are dealing with.




my guess is that he feels it's the only way.

Short of asking Zero to produce his credentials. :)

A question; what did you think of the Afghan commander that preceded McChrystal?

Why do you think he was replaced?

I don't recall much reason ever given.





the fact is that obama isn't respected by our military generals. they know this guy is weak. he uses the office to demand respect but he hasn't earned any of it. if they fire the guy, i hope he goes all over the media circuit and tells how bad of a leader obama is.

also the general isn't perfect, he does have some bad judgement.

he voted for hussein

Doesn't say much for McLame does it??






Thank you for your service to our country! :salute:

Same here, and to your son also J-P. :salute:






you must realize the irony of this rant of yours. . .


That's life behind the irony curtain, he never ever sees the irony.





"There is no room for public dissent"


I laughed hard Lg. Keep blowing smoke and telling me its cloudy.

:eek:lol:


Leftists are adamant that no one should dare criticize dear leader. Mere mortals must not dare to question that which is divine.










The only thing that Obama supporters hate about this is that they can't say anything back. The General told the truth.

I don't think we come out that much ahead when the dust all settles there.

The critical issue is Washington's objective. The U.S. long ago achieved its goal of displacing and weakening al-Qaeda (despite the failure to capture or kill Osama bin Laden) and ousting the Taliban government which gave the organization refuge.

Here are some more takes on what is going on in Afghanistan:

Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Corps officer who recently resigned from the State Department, explained: "Like the Soviets, we continue to secure and bolster a failing state, while encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted by its people."

Then there is the recent flagrant election fraud, which, wrote Hoh, "will call into question worldwide our government's military, economic and diplomatic support for an invalid and illegitimate Afghan government."

Ralph Peters, a columnist who backed the Iraq war, criticized protecting "an Afghan government the people despise."

Malalai Joya, vilified by fundamentalists for daring to run for parliament and promote women's rights, complained: "Your governments have replaced the fundamentalist rule of the Taliban with another fundamentalist regime of warlords."

Boston University's Andrew Bacevich explained: "No serious person thinks that Afghanistan--remote, impoverished, barely qualifying as a nation-state--seriously matters to the United States."

Hoh observed that no "military force has ever been tasked with such a complex, opaque and Sisyphean mission as the U.S. military has received in Afghanistan."

Author Victor Sebestyen reviewed the minutes of meetings between Politburo and military officials and reported: "The Soviets saw withdrawal as potentially fatal to their prestige in the cold war, so they became mired deeper and deeper in their failed occupation."

At its maximum Russia had 118,000 troops in Afghanistan, which proved to be too few.

Rep. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyoming) claimed: "the lack of decisiveness about how to best proceed is emboldening our enemies and endangering our troops and friends."

Everyone uses the old adage that Afghanistan is the "graveyard of empires," but outside powers never have had much success in imposing their will on the Afghan people.
 
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I am appalled at the defense of this General's idiotic and immature tantrum via the press. For a military man, what he did is unforgiveable.

You have to separate what he says from his role and the fact that he simply is not allowed to say this publicly. Period.

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The author of the article — Michael Hastings, a freelance journalist — appears to have been granted intimate access to General McChrystal’s inner circle. Most of the comments appear to have been uttered during unguarded moments, in places like bars and restaurants where the general and his aides gathered to unwind. The issue of the magazine in which the article appears is due out Friday.

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I don't get why they were allowing a freelance journalist this type of access especially if they were on the record at all times.

I'd be zero tolerance on this. No chance to explain squat. If you said it, you said it, and you are O-U-T.

There is no room for public dissent like this within the chain of command, especially if it is intended to or could have the effect of destroying morale for those actually doing the fighting.

You don't like the way its being done? Wait and write your memoir years later. Or, if you feel compelled to say something now, report up the lines and within channels. Don't go at it sideways through freaking Rolling Stone.
If the comments were taken out of context in a bar after hours, there could be mitigating circumstances.
 
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David Gergen proved once again that he is the best analyst CNN throws on the screen tonight. He was clearly the most reasonable talking head on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight (then James Carville with Peter Bergen being a way, way distant 3rd). Peter Bergen is an absolute idiot.

More importantly....Cooper lobbed a softball out there tonight that the General meant to do this, but no one was willing to swing at it.
 
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#69
I am appalled at the defense of this General's idiotic and immature tantrum via the press. For a military man, what he did is unforgiveable.

You have to separate what he says from his role and the fact that he simply is not allowed to say this publicly. Period.

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Where is it written that a man serving in the US military cannot offer public or private criticism of elected or appointed officials??

By what authority is he not allowed to say what he pleases publicly??

What exactly did General McChrystal say or was quoted as saying that brings forth this knee jerk reaction from you??

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Don't reply, you aren't man enough.
 
#70
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He's gotta be out but some damage is done.

Remember how W relieved someone of command because he disagreed with the Iraq strategy? The lefties howled about it. This is different in the sense it includes personal comments but still at the core it is disagreement between commander and commander-in-chief. Will the left howl at Obama?

This is one case where I bet Obama actually is furious - furious because it is an attack against himself, not just a massive environmental and economic disaster. How will he blame Bush for this one?
I won't howl about that. However, I will continue howling about the fact that we're still in Afghanistan.
 
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Where is it written that a man serving in the US military cannot offer public or private criticism of elected or appointed officials??

By what authority is he not allowed to say what he pleases publicly??

the UCMJ, on both counts.
 
#72
#72
I am appalled at the defense of this General's idiotic and immature tantrum via the press. For a military man, what he did is unforgiveable.

You have to separate what he says from his role and the fact that he simply is not allowed to say this publicly. Period.

/thread


i don't think the article has quoted him actually saying it but they are reporting it 2nd hand. they do say his staff said it but they didn't quote him directly. be accurate gator.

this could be the reason for the all the complaining.

Obama's real McChrystal problem: Afghanistan plan in trouble - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com
 
#74
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I am appalled at the defense of this General's idiotic and immature tantrum via the press. For a military man, what he did is unforgiveable.

You have to separate what he says from his role and the fact that he simply is not allowed to say this publicly. Period.

/thread
And nobody cares. You are right to some limited degree, but the man can have an opinion and state it. He clearly chose to make the point. It was egotistical and political, but he knew what he was doing.
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#75
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I am appalled at the defense of this General's idiotic and immature tantrum via the press. For a military man, what he did is unforgiveable.

You have to separate what he says from his role and the fact that he simply is not allowed to say this publicly. Period.

/thread

I agree. He is military and the President is the commander in chief. Comments should NEVER come out publicly against him by you OR your immediate staff. How dumb can you be (no matter how frustrated you are) to talk that freely with a member of the press? However, where I am scratching my head is why are people calling for this guy's head, and when this happened almost on a weekly basis with W it was a pat on the back and way to go for being brave against the tyrants?
 

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