Georgia vs Alabama

Who you pulling for in the SEC title game. Georgia or Alabama

  • Georgia

    Votes: 28 12.3%

  • Alabama

    Votes: 44 19.3%

  • Neither

    Votes: 24 10.5%

  • A meteor

    Votes: 132 57.9%
  • Total voters
    228
#702
#702
zjcvols said:
A subplot not being mentioned but should. They won’t have to defend their case because they go to 12 next year. So they can totally put Bama in and not have to worry about setting a precedent
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But they already set a precedent when they accepted the new CFP selection process that values conference champions. They could lean on that premise here. Deterring from that seems like a slap in the face of what they agrred upon moving forward after this year.
 
#703
#703
VOLnMiami said:
Exactly!...Never could figure out why some people want other SEC teams in the playoff, It doesn't help us recruiting wise or any other way...I am certainly not one of those root for other SEC teams because they can win championships, Screw that I root for TENNESSEE and want all those other bozo's to lose!
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Exactly!
 
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#704
#704
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You can parse any teams entire season. The key is looking at the overall body of work. Alabama has played the far tougher schedule, has the better wins, and the more acceptable loss. Also they're the team Vegas would favor to win it all.

To me Alabama has a better case than Texas when you look at their resumes in their totality.
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By this ranking they’ve not played a far tougher schedule. It’s exactly 1 place better going into today. UGA was a better win than Ok St so it will keep Bama above TX but not exponentially.
 

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#706
#706
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Happens all the time in sports. How many times does a team lose game 1 of a playoff series and win it all? Or how about an NFL team losing in the regular season to an opponent only to beat them later in the playoffs?

One game doesn't determine whose better or who deserves to be in. Hell I would argue Georgia has a case to STILL be the #1 team in the country despite losing today. I know if you asked Nick Saban and Alabama thats the last team they wanna see again in the playoffs. They would gladly play Texas over Georgia if rematches were to happen.
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If I’m you, I just look to see who Vegas favored to win the title in August and let the top 4 play each other in January.
 
#707
#707
Hunter10139 said:
If you go just by who would be favored then games don't matter at all.
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No. Singular games don't matter. If they played series in football like they do in basketball then the ultimate winner would matter but because football is single elimination you sometimes get flukey results. Like the 2007 Patriots losing to the Giants despite being arguably the best team ever. That one game didn't make the Giants suddenly better. They just won one game. If the 2007 Patriots and 2007 Giants played a best of 7 game series I'm sure the team Vegas favored would ultimately come out on top.

I'm basing my arguments on who the top 4 teams are based on which teams I think would beat another given a large enough sample size. It's why my top 4 still includes Georgia. Cause I think they would consistently beat every other team in college football if given a large enough sample size.
 
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#711
#711
95 Vol Alum said:
It’s clear that you don’t understand how Vegas works.
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No I do. You don't if you think they don't power rate teams and base their spreads based on what the most likely result will be. If you think they simply set lines so they take even money on either side of the bet hoping to profit off the juice then you don't know anything about Vegas. They'll routinely take bets on games where the majority of the money is on one side or the other. It's a total myth that they set every line based on getting even money on each side.
 
#712
#712
volfan102455 said:
Vegas is not doing good right now. They favored Oregon over Washington as well.
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One game is just that one game. Vegas didn't build all those tall buildings in the desert because they lose a majority of the time. They're still in business because they win way more than they lose.
 
#713
#713
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No I do. You don't if you think they don't power rate teams and base their spreads based on what the most likely result will be. If you think they simply set lines so they take even money on either side of the bet hoping to profit off the juice then you don't know anything about Vegas. They'll routinely take bets on games where the majority of the money is on one side or the other. It's a total myth that they set every line based on getting even money on each side.
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Interesting. Why do lines move then?
 
#714
#714
95 Vol Alum said:
If I’m you, I just look to see who Vegas favored to win the title in August and let the top 4 play each other in January.
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It would be a better show than letting a TCU get in because they had one lucky season only to get massacred in the national championship game.

Vegas would give us better matchups than letting the season play out and letting fluke teams get in.
 
#716
#716
KoachKrab127 said:
So the results on the field don’t matter? Just subjective opinions based on feelings?
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Not opinions based on feelings. Opinions based on logic and reason. Like the one that tells anyone with sense that Michigan would have fared better than TCU last year against Georgia despite losing to TCU head to head. Michigan recruits better than TCU and has a track record of being more competitive against elite programs like Georgia and Ohio State than a team like TCU which is filled with 3 star recruits.

Logic and reason should supercede fluke one game results.
 
#717
#717
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. Singular games don't matter. If they played series in football like they do in basketball then the ultimate winner would matter but because football is single elimination you sometimes get flukey results. Like the 2007 Patriots losing to the Giants despite being arguably the best team ever. That one game didn't make the Giants suddenly better. They just won one game. If the 2007 Patriots and 2007 Giants played a best of 7 game series I'm sure the team Vegas favored would ultimately come out on top.

I'm basing my arguments on who the top 4 teams are based on which teams I think would beat another given a large enough sample size. It's why my top 4 still includes Georgia. Cause I think they would consistently beat every other team in college football if given a large enough sample size.
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But we don’t play series in football so Vegas is irrelevant. If we’re going off odds then as others have said, the preseason top 4 in Vegas odds should just play 3 games the first 2 weeks of September and be done.
 
#718
#718
95 Vol Alum said:
Interesting. Why do lines move then?
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When respected money comes in heavy on one side or the other. And respected money basically means gambling consortiums who have a history of winning. Basically its Vegas admitting their power ratings for the teams might not be entirely accurate. Some of the time it's also based on insider information leaking early to someone. If a group knows a certain player might miss a game before Vegas does then you'll see Vegas move the line before official word comes out cause they see a respected better coming in heavy of that rumor.

Remember none of this is a science. If you follow Vegas closely you'll see lines move big time in one direction only for the opposite to happen thus making the "sharps" (aka guys who have a history of winning) and Vegas look dumb. It's just that over a large enough sample size Vegas and the sharps win which is why they continue to do what they do.
 
#719
#719
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not opinions based on feelings. Opinions based on logic and reason. Like the one that tells anyone with sense that Michigan would have fared better than TCU last year against Georgia despite losing to TCU head to head. Michigan recruits better than TCU and has a track record of being more competitive against elite programs like Georgia and Ohio State than a team like TCU which is filled with 3 star recruits.

Logic and reason should supercede fluke one game results.
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Like the way UGA beat UM 34-11 the year before after they tacked on a meaningless 8 at the end? They were super competitive vs. UGA.
 
#721
#721
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Georgia and Alabama would be favored by Vegas over the top 4 teams you named. With them being favored by 14+ against Washington and FSU.

You can't seriously believe those teams are better.
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I didn't say I think those teams are better, though I do think the gap is closer than 14 points on a nuetral field.

The thing is, we really don't know how much or if the SEC is better than the rest of the field this year. Its a judgement decision and why we need a larger playoff field to unequivocally decide who makes it to the title game. In the 4 game playoff we have now, the SEC out of conference wins weren't impressive to prove it deserves any favoritism this year (the conference went 4-6 against the ACC).

So until we move to that format I would value undefeated conference champions first, (Washington, Michigan, FSU) and then 1 loss conference Champions (Bama and Texas) and then give the Tie Breaker to the head to head winner which is Texas.

Bama and Georgia fans can complain, but they had an opportunity and lost when others didn't.
 
#722
#722
AthensVol2007 said:
Like the way UGA beat UM 34-11 the year before after they tacked on a meaningless 8 at the end? They were super competitive vs. UGA.
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That's still more competitive than 65-7. TCU gave us an all-time embarrassing performance. I can't believe you're trying to defend that.
 
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