Girl Pressures Boyfriend into Suicide

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bamawriter said:
I tell you that any attempt to contact them will result in their deaths.
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No. I think that the same law applies if you were to call Smoking Joe's and ask them if the have Sir Walter Raleigh in a can. Manslaughter? No way. You have to actually hold the family hostage.
 
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This is an odd thread.

So, if you take advantage of a mentally/physically handicapped person and get them to rape someone, a la, I Spit On Your Grave, are you legally off the hook? I don't think so.

Somehow, you can be charged with murder, committed by someone else you are with during a failed robbery, even though you didn't have anything to do with it, but there are no legal repercussions from this type of thing? C'mon!
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Yelling "FIRE" probably isn't going to result in manslaughter convictions. It's more like calling in a bomb threat... probably some other criminal laws are in play. Private conversations between a boyfriend/girlfriend are very different from behavior that endangers the public.
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Understood. But most states treat one's actions resulting in the easily foreseeable consequence of another's death as manslaughter. In this case, the girl's actions (badgering a mentally ill kid for months) resulted in the easily foreseeable consequence of his death.

Now, it sounds like the state in question has specific laws against participating in a suicide, so perhaps she should be tried under those laws.
 
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hog88 said:
That's where you are making the mistake, trying to compare anything to this incident. I would say this is worse case scenario but when does the legal system stop at worse case?

Break it down. She didn't give him the means, she didn't give him a place, she didn't give him money, she didn't gain any money/benefit, she didn't provide any assistance or deny/prevent him from getting help. She talked him into it.

Huff mentioned civil action against her which I initially discarded but thinking about it that is where this case needs to be dealt with.
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How about these???

Jessica Lynn Howell Charged With Murder After Allegedly Encouraging Boyfriend To Rape Baby (VIDEO)

“In those text messages she suggested and encouraged some unspeakable things,” Lohmar said. “It is very, very disturbing.”
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She was sentenced to 25 years in prison because the guy she encouraged to molest her baby killed the child. But why??? It was only words sent to someone who perhaps was mentally unstable and then acted on the encouragement he was provided.

Woman Is Convicted In Husband`s Murder - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

Although neither Sublett nor her boyfriend, Brian Goodson, 27, was found guilty of shooting Cpl. Michael Sublett, both were convicted for encouraging the killing.
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Youngstown News, Georgia woman nears execution for husband's murder

Previously, courts had found Gissendaner had plotted the stabbing death of her husband by her boyfriend, Gregory Owen, who will be up for parole in eight years after accepting a life sentence and testifying against her.
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So she faces the death penalty while he is up for parole in 8 years, even though he committed the murder and she just helped "encourage" it.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
How about these???

Jessica Lynn Howell Charged With Murder After Allegedly Encouraging Boyfriend To Rape Baby (VIDEO)



She was sentenced to 25 years in prison because the guy she encouraged to molest her baby killed the child. But why??? It was only words sent to someone who perhaps was mentally unstable and then acted on the encouragement he was provided.

Woman Is Convicted In Husband`s Murder - tribunedigital-chicagotribune



Youngstown News, Georgia woman nears execution for husband's murder



So she faces the death penalty while he is up for parole in 8 years, even though he committed the murder and she just helped "encourage" it.
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Are you really that ****ing dense to compare these cases?

1. She let someone rape her baby! Do I need to explain why this isn't comparable?

2. Not enough detail.

3. She planned her husbands murder with her boyfriend!
 
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bamawriter said:
Understood. But most states treat one's actions resulting in the easily foreseeable consequence of another's death as manslaughter. In this case, the girl's actions (badgering a mentally ill kid for months) resulted in the easily foreseeable consequence of his death.

Now, it sounds like the state in question has specific laws against participating in a suicide, so perhaps she should be tried under those laws.
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On day 1 of this thread I suggested an appeal to SCOTUS, if she were to be convicted, likely counters those possible state laws.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
On day 1 of this thread I suggested an appeal to SCOTUS, if she were to be convicted, likely counters those possible state laws.
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Even if she's convicted, she'll be out of prison long before an appeal can reach the SCOTUS.

Further, I would be shocked if the SCOTUS would take up the case, and would be even more shocked if they wanted to create new law excusing murder by coercion, harrassment, or fraud.
 
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bamawriter said:
Even if she's convicted, she'll be out of prison long before an appeal can reach the SCOTUS.

Further, I would be shocked if the SCOTUS would take up the case, and would be even more shocked if they wanted to create new law excusing murder by coercion, harrassment, or fraud.
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SCOTUS don't create no law
 
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hog88 said:
Are you really that ****ing dense to compare these cases?

1. She let someone rape her baby! Do I need to explain why this isn't comparable?

2. Not enough detail.

3. She planned her husbands murder with her boyfriend!
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1. She used texts to encourage someone to commit a crime. Do I need to explain why it is comparable?

2. What else do you need to know???? She did not commit the crime, and did not hire someone to commit the crime, but "was convicted for encouraging the killing". Isn't that what the young lady did in this case... she encouraged someone to commit suicide?

3. Correct... and they were both found guilty. Is your argument that the young lady did not help plan the suicide? If so, then you are ignoring the evidence.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
1. She used texts to encourage someone to commit a crime. Do I need to explain why it is comparable?

2. What else do you need to know???? She did not commit the crime, and did not hire someone to commit the crime, but "was convicted for encouraging the killing". Isn't that what the young lady did in this case... she encouraged someone to commit suicide?

3. Correct... and they were both found guilty. Is your argument that the young lady did not help plan the suicide? If so, then you are ignoring the evidence.
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Let's hang the *****! I can tie the noose you kick the chair out from her.
 
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hog88 said:
Let's hang the *****! I can tie the noose you kick the chair out from her.
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Dang hog... are you on medication or something? I was thinking you were typically a more rational poster, that generally provided comments based on reason (whether I agreed with them or not). You make a big fuss that these examples aren't similar and this is the basis of your argument?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Dang hog... are you on medication or something? I was thinking you were typically a more rational poster, that generally provided comments based on reason (whether I agreed with them or not). You make a big fuss that these examples aren't similar and this is the basis of your argument?
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Look, I have no sympathy for this chick and if the boys mom disappeared her, great. No problems on my end. My only issue is the ever expansion our supposed justice system. To me the girl didn't commit a crime.

What's next? Will it be rape for college boys to convince a girl with low self esteem into having sex?

If this girl had helped him, gave him any type of assistance (physically, monetarily), gained something like a life insurance policy or prevented him from being helped, yes she committed a crime.
 
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hog88 said:
To me the girl didn't commit a crime.
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Gotta be honest, you've laid out a great argument that there is, in fact, a "perfect crime". If you want someone dead, you can make it happen with absolutely no risk of legal consequence. In fact, the law actually protects your right to homicide. Interesting stuff.
 
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bamawriter said:
Gotta be honest, you've laid out a great argument that there is, in fact, a "perfect crime". If you want someone dead, you can make it happen with absolutely no risk of legal consequence. In fact, the law actually protects your right to homicide. Interesting stuff.
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Actually, I think his hangup might be that it was suicide and not homicide... and perhaps that it was another teenager doing the manipulation and not an adult.

There are numerous examples of adults that coerce teenagers into murdering someone else... and all typically done without "physical or monetary assistance". The only differences in this instance is that it is a teenager doing the manipulation, and instead of encouraging another teenager to kill someone else, she encourages him to kill himself.

So what is the primary reason why this would not be considered a crime like the others? Is it because it's a teenager doing the manipulation, or is it because it was suicide instead of homicide?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Actually, I think his hangup might be that it was suicide and not homicide...
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That's my point. If you want to kill someone, but you don't want any risk of prosecution, you talk him into killing himself. Not only is it a perfect crime, it's a crime with guaranteed First Amendment protection.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Actually, I think his hangup might be that it was suicide and not homicide... and perhaps that it was another teenager doing the manipulation and not an adult.

There are numerous examples of adults that coerce teenagers into murdering someone else... and all typically done without "physical or monetary assistance". The only differences in this instance is that it is a teenager doing the manipulation, and instead of encouraging another teenager to kill someone else, she encourages him to kill himself.

So what is the primary reason why this would not be considered a crime like the others? Is it because it's a teenager doing the manipulation, or is it because it was suicide instead of homicide?
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Because it was suicide, the boy ultimately made the decision, wasn't forced and had no help, just encouragement.
 
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hog88 said:
Because it was suicide, the boy ultimately made the decision, wasn't forced and had no help, just encouragement.
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That's what I was assuming. So in your opinion it is a crime to convince (no physical or monetary assistance) someone to kill someone else, but is not a crime to convince someone to kill themselves? The person is not forced or received help in either situation (although in this particular case I would argue the young lady did in fact offer help). So why the distinction? Or is it as bw stated... the perfect crime?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
That's what I was assuming. So in your opinion it is a crime to convince (no physical or monetary assistance) someone to kill someone else, but is not a crime to convince someone to kill themselves? The person is not forced or received help in either situation (although in this particular case I would argue the young lady did in fact offer help). So why the distinction? Or is it as bw stated... the perfect crime?
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In my mind getting someone to kill someone else would require some motivation, money, sex, relationship ext. So I put that in the crime category.

If your mad at someone and I say to you "you should kill that muther f'er, you're a wuss if you don't" even if said 1000 times and you do, I wouldn't say that's a crime on my part.

In this case you might very well call this the perfect crime, I don't know. I could see a civil case.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meh, I think he was the one looking for attention at first with all of the suicide talk. She probably just had her fill of all of that and just got frustrated with all of the talk, but no action. I would probably fault her more for how she behaved after the fact by acting like an advocate for mental health when she played a role in influencing him to kill himself and for all the lying and cover ups.

Having said all of that, there is probably one thing she could have done to maybe cheer him up and minimize his thoughts of suicide...
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:zeitung_lesen:
 
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