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whobethis16 said:
Yet, still only won 1, and NEVER won the SEC tournament, despite being the best team by a long shot. I loved Pearl, and everything else, but he had a couple of teams that underachieved. I honestly believe Martin's teams won't.
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zjcvols said:
Yup, that's why Pearl didn't get a top five seed his last three years at UT, only won one SEC regular season title, and then proceeded to not even make it to a SEC tourney final.

Oh, and that last point? People are talking about that for UT again. You just aren't paying attention.
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olesmokey081764 said:
give it up dude, pearl screwed the pooch and he aint coming back
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Like I said, the new fans are the big Martin fans. They all migrate to Pearl comparisons - they love to bring Pearl into conversations to support their hero for some reason. Your bashing from a talent perspective should be at Green. He did less with more than anybody in the history of UT.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Like I said, the new fans are the big Martin fans. They all migrate to Pearl comparisons - they love to bring Pearl into conversations to support their hero for some reason. Your bashing from a talent perspective should be at Green. He did less with more than anybody in the history of UT.
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I've been watching Vol basketball since Ray Mears was the coach. I think Martin has a good chance to be the first really good coach we've had since then. Which is, of course, not saying much.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Pearl certainly got fired at the right time, as far as his reputation in Knoxville goes. I would like to see how he was planning to win in 2011-2 with that garbage roster he left.
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Pearl left some talent behind, it was just not proven yet.....and that is not taking into account who ended up in pearls recruiting class....im confident pearl would have figured a way to get us to the tournament but that being said I'm confident Martin will start getting us there this season.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Like I said, the new fans are the big Martin fans. They all migrate to Pearl comparisons - they love to bring Pearl into conversations to support their hero for some reason. Your bashing from a talent perspective should be at Green. He did less with more than anybody in the history of UT.
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Actually, you brought up Pearl with your "Tennessee was becoming a power in recent years" comments. Not me.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I guess if you only started following UT recently, you wouldn't realize we were on the up trend. The program was experiencing success and was in the talk of conference championships and NCAA high seed births every year.
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Who brought up Pearl again?

Again, I would like to know how UT was competing for championships, when UT had not when 12 SEC games in three years.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Pearl left some talent behind, it was just not proven yet.....and that is not taking into account who ended up in pearls recruiting class....im confident pearl would have figured a way to get us to the tournament but that being said I'm confident Martin will start getting us there this season.
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Considering how Pearl wasn't going to bring in Chris Jones, and how Scotty and Tobias were most likely going to leave, I can't imagine how UT was going to make the tournament. UT probably wouldn't have had the OOC losses, but they would have had more SEC losses.

Not an indictment on Pearl per se, but just saying that was the state of the roster.
 
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zjcvols said:
Considering how Pearl wasn't going to bring in Chris Jones, and how Scotty and Tobias were most likely going to leave, I can't imagine how UT was going to make the tournament. UT probably wouldn't have had the OOC losses, but they would have had more SEC losses.

Not an indictment on Pearl per se, but just saying that was the state of the roster.
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Well Chris jones wasn't the end of recruiting..pearl was good at adding guys that helped the roster(not stars) during the spring...I also think Pearls best attribute was taking whatever he had and figuring out how to win enough with that talent....I know we think fondly of pearls first team but they were picked to finish near the bottom of the SEC also.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Well Chris jones wasn't the end of recruiting..pearl was good at adding guys that helped the roster(not stars) during the spring...I also think Pearls best attribute was taking whatever he had and figuring out how to win enough with that talent....I know we think fondly of pearls first team but they were picked to finish near the bottom of the SEC also.
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Pearl really had no impact guys lined up and if I am not mistaken Kevin Ware was on the fence before Pearl was fired.

I can see that, and respect that. But I just don't see it. I just feel like Pearl was not going to be able to make the tourney with the team. This roster was bad. There was some talent, but not a lot. And even though UT was the favorite with Stokes when Pearl was here, you never know how that turns out. Imagine that team without Stokes in the SEC. They'd be lucky to go .500
 
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volbeast33 said:
You don't think pearl was a really good coach?
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When Tennessee lost in the first round of the NCAAs to an Oklahoma State team of midgets because Pearl's team jacked up over 30 three pointers, including our center shooting more threes than twos, it became pretty impossible to pretend that Bruce Pearl was very good at the actual basketball-coaching part of his job.

He's a great energy guy; he's a good motivator; he was the perfect guy at the time for UT basketball. But he started his career off wearing a mascot's costume, and over time it began to show.
 
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There's no way in hell Pearl gets us to the tourney with last year's roster. We saw how the group we put on the floor looked under Pearl, it was ugly. Martin was left nothing except Cameron Tatum as far as meaningful contributors go. It still blows me away things went as well as they did last year. I do think we would've recovered under Pearl as things seemed to be getting a bit better as far as recruiting went.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
When Tennessee lost in the first round of the NCAAs to an Oklahoma State team of midgets because Pearl's team jacked up over 30 three pointers, including our center shooting more threes than twos, it became pretty impossible to pretend that Bruce Pearl was very good at the actual basketball-coaching part of his job.

He's a great energy guy; he's a good motivator; he was the perfect guy at the time for UT basketball. But he started his career off wearing a mascot's costume, and over time it began to show.
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Very well said, basically exactly how I feel.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
When Tennessee lost in the first round of the NCAAs to an Oklahoma State team of midgets because Pearl's team jacked up over 30 three pointers, including our center shooting more threes than twos, it became pretty impossible to pretend that Bruce Pearl was very good at the actual basketball-coaching part of his job.

He's a great energy guy; he's a good motivator; he was the perfect guy at the time for UT basketball. But he started his career off wearing a mascot's costume, and over time it began to show.
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I totally disagree with this assessment....Yes Pearl's style was a little unorthodox and he did give guys more freedom to shoot than he should have at times, but I dont remember anyone complaining about the threes we were shooting when we were spanking Texas all over the court at Texas.

You left out about the Oklahoma State game that we only lost by two to a team seeded higher than us and that pushed #1 seed Pittsburgh to the end before falling a week later. Also the next season, we were some Scotty Hopson free throws or a break or two away from making our first final four.

Bruce Pearl won over 200 games and only lost 46 at Division II Southern indiana, he took that team that had only won 10 games and led them to 22 wins his first yr and led them to a national championship.

At Wisconsin-Milwaukee, he led them to their first NCAA tournament in history and to a sweet sixteen and has their highest winning percentage in history and I think he has the Horizon record too.

At Tennessee, He led us to six straight tournaments, our first number one ranking, our first elite eight, numerous upsets over top ranked teams.

You dont accomplish all of that without being one heck of a coach, People cant explain it bc it is a little unorthodox but you dont win that many games by being a motivator.

Currently, Bruce Pearl is the best coach we have ever had and that is including Ray Mears and Im a big Ray Mears fan.
 
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Disagree strongly...

Getting a lot of wins does not always mean you're a good coach

And losing a lot does not always mean you're a bad coach

Personally I don't think Cal is one of the better X's and O's coaches in the country, but by your standards he'd rank right up there.

He plays a style that will work at a mid major type of school very well, and will pile up wins. Heck, it worked well enough at UT to make us relevant again, but it's not a style of play that is going to result in consistently deep runs IMO. There's a reason the Dukes, Kentuckys, UNC's, Cuse's etc etc aren't running that style of game.

I'm not saying Pearl was a bad coach, I just wouldn't rank him up there with some of the guys his wins put him with.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I totally disagree with this assessment....Yes Pearl's style was a little unorthodox and he did give guys more freedom to shoot than he should have at times, but I dont remember anyone complaining about the threes we were shooting when we were spanking Texas all over the court at Texas.

You left out about the Oklahoma State game that we only lost by two to a team seeded higher than us and that pushed #1 seed Pittsburgh to the end before falling a week later. Also the next season, we were some Scotty Hopson free throws or a break or two away from making our first final four.

Bruce Pearl won over 200 games and only lost 46 at Division II Southern indiana, he took that team that had only won 10 games and led them to 22 wins his first yr and led them to a national championship.

At Wisconsin-Milwaukee, he led them to their first NCAA tournament in history and to a sweet sixteen and has their highest winning percentage in history and I think he has the Horizon record too.

At Tennessee, He led us to six straight tournaments, our first number one ranking, our first elite eight, numerous upsets over top ranked teams.

You dont accomplish all of that without being one heck of a coach, People cant explain it bc it is a little unorthodox but you dont win that many games by being a motivator.

Currently, Bruce Pearl is the best coach we have ever had and that is including Ray Mears and Im a big Ray Mears fan.
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You're missing my point. It wasn't that we lost to Oklahoma State; it was how. We had a dramatic, exploitable size advantage in that game....which Pearl proceded to ignore. We just shot threes. We never made any attempt to just get it in low and take advantage of how much taller our guys were. Chism shot more threes than twos. We just kept heaving up the threes, and when they didn't go in, we lost. There was no Plan B. There was no apparent effort made to change what we were doing and beat the team in front of us.

That's what I mean when I say that Pearl wasn't that good as an actual basketball coach. His teams didn't know how to do anything other than run and shoot threes. They played like an overmatched Milwaukee team even when they had every physical advantage imaginable. It's great when the threes are going in, but you're helpless when they're not.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You're missing my point. It wasn't that we lost to Oklahoma State; it was how. We had a dramatic, exploitable size advantage in that game....which Pearl proceded to ignore. We just shot threes. We never made any attempt to just get it in low and take advantage of how much taller our guys were. Chism shot more threes than twos. We just kept heaving up the threes, and when they didn't go in, we lost. There was no Plan B. There was no apparent effort made to change what we were doing and beat the team in front of us.

That's what I mean when I say that Pearl wasn't that good as an actual basketball coach. His teams didn't know how to do anything other than run and shoot threes. They played like an overmatched Milwaukee team even when they had every physical advantage imaginable. It's great when the threes are going in, but you're helpless when they're not.
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Sounds like you are describing the Alabama game from last year.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You're missing my point. It wasn't that we lost to Oklahoma State; it was how. We had a dramatic, exploitable size advantage in that game....which Pearl proceded to ignore. We just shot threes. We never made any attempt to just get it in low and take advantage of how much taller our guys were. Chism shot more threes than twos. We just kept heaving up the threes, and when they didn't go in, we lost. There was no Plan B. There was no apparent effort made to change what we were doing and beat the team in front of us.

That's what I mean when I say that Pearl wasn't that good as an actual basketball coach. His teams didn't know how to do anything other than run and shoot threes. They played like an overmatched Milwaukee team even when they had every physical advantage imaginable. It's great when the threes are going in, but you're helpless when they're not.
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I'm definitely not getting in a Pearl debate....been there done that. Same ole people bringing up the same ole points over and over in I promise over a hundred threads, but bringing up one game and classifying a coach by the team's effort in 1 game is absolutely stupid. Pearl did switch his style to a half court game the following year and it took us to an elite 8. Just about EVERY team falls in the shoot em up 3's game that doesn't turn out well. Hell, KY lost to WV in the elite 8 by jacking up 3's. They shot 4-32. That was by far the best team in the nation at the time. That roster had 5 first rounders on it. Oh, and TN was 1 of 3 teams that they lost 2 that year.

So, in the OSU game TN shot 11-33 from the 3. All Pearl's team just jack up 3's. No coaching. Well, the following year we got put out in the elite 8. Not by jacking up 3's. We only shot 7-16. Half as many. About the same number of 3's the previous game against #2 seed Ohio St.

If you want to be a Pearl basher then bash away, but classifying his coaching ability off one game is utterly rediculus.
 
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