good bye cuonzo

Status
Not open for further replies.
#1,028
#1,028
johnnybravo said:
If you want to be a Pearl basher then bash away, but classifying his coaching ability off one game is utterly rediculus.
Click to expand...

It was an example. The most egregious example, but just an example. Pearl's teams generally couldn't play half-court offense or defense very well.

I generally liked Pearl and am not trying to bash him at all. I just think we've there's reason to think that we've traded up, as far as the on-court Xs and Os stuff goes. We play half-court defense now. When we need a last-second shot, we run an actual play. That sort of thing. Time will tell if he's good enough at the other stuff to replicate or surpass Pearl's success.
 
#1,029
#1,029
Vercingetorix said:
It was an example. The most egregious example, but just an example. Pearl's teams generally couldn't play half-court offense or defense very well.

I generally liked Pearl and am not trying to bash him at all. I just think we've there's reason to think that we've traded up, as far as the on-court Xs and Os stuff goes. We play half-court defense now. When we need a last-second shot, we run an actual play. That sort of thing. Time will tell if he's good enough at the other stuff to replicate or surpass Pearl's success.
Click to expand...

Why would you want to play half court offense when you have predominately good shooting guards on your team like Lofton, J. Smith, R. Smith,Watson? You run and gun and shoot the 3. Last second shot was Lofton for half of Pearl's tenure here. Easy enough. When the shooters left, then so did Pearl's offensive game plan. I think the Elite 8 team was a very good half court offensive and defensive team. So, the way I look at is as Pearl was able to effectively coach a run and gun style offense and a half court offensive game. Is there other coaches better, yes, so please no CCM comparison's. I'm not comparing the 2 for all the other posters. But continously saying Pearl was not effective and bringing up stats from one the worst games that he coached is again rediculus. That was also a transition year from where all our great shooters left. It appears that Pearl learned from that year and changed his team's identity from run and gun to half court.
 
#1,030
#1,030
alaVOL said:
Little premature?

Guess his will be a classic for years to come. Martin may bring Tennessee more BB success than ever in it's history if keeping recruiting like he is.
Click to expand...

It's not premature to think a guy can "bring more success than ever in it's history" when he's never even coached an NCAA tourney game?
 
#1,031
#1,031
^ the fact you just said Ramar smith was a good shooting guard forced me to discredit the entire post.

Had to be the worst shooting guard I've ever seen.
 
#1,032
#1,032
johnnybravo said:
Why would you want to play half court offense when you have predominately good shooting guards on your team like Lofton, J. Smith, R. Smith,Watson? You run and gun and shoot the 3. Last second shot was Lofton for half of Pearl's tenure here. Easy enough. When the shooters left, then so did Pearl's offensive game plan. I think the Elite 8 team was a very good half court offensive and defensive team. So, the way I look at is as Pearl was able to effectively coach a run and gun style offense and a half court offensive game. Is there other coaches better, yes, so please no CCM comparison's. I'm not comparing the 2 for all the other posters. But continously saying Pearl was not effective and bringing up stats from one the worst games that he coached is again rediculus. That was also a transition year from where all our great shooters left. It appears that Pearl learned from that year and changed his team's identity from run and gun to half court.
Click to expand...

So why did he keep running it? He didn't even attempt to switch to a half-court style until the New Year's Day arrests left him with half a basketball team. Why did it take having his hand forced for him to figure it out?

But by far the biggest factor that makes me think Martin may be an upgrade. If the whole game consisted of defending inbounds passes, Pearl's teams would have been the best. But beyond that there wasn't much of a plan. Watching Martin's team play defense so far has night and day.
 
#1,034
#1,034
Vercingetorix said:
So why did he keep running it? He didn't even attempt to switch to a half-court style until the New Year's Day arrests left him with half a basketball team. Why did it take having his hand forced for him to figure it out?

But by far the biggest factor that makes me think Martin may be an upgrade. If the whole game consisted of defending inbounds passes, Pearl's teams would have been the best. But beyond that there wasn't much of a plan. Watching Martin's team play defense so far has night and day.
Click to expand...

What was the drop in defensive ppg from 11 to 12?
 
#1,039
#1,039
zjcvols said:
In what world?

Ramar Smith: 7.6 ppg 3.2 apg 2.3 rpg 43.6/22.7/58.6

Trae Golden: 13.6 pgg 4.5 apg 3.0 rpg 43.9/38.8/82.8
Click to expand...

Nice try. Quoting golden's best season and Smith's worst? Point is they shot the same fg percentage. Tnorange said smith was worst shooting guard he'd ever seen. Don't make it difficult.
 
#1,040
#1,040
UT IE 95 said:
Nice try. Quoting golden's best season and Smith's worst? Point is they shot the same fg percentage. Tnorange said smith was worst shooting guard he'd ever seen. Don't make it difficult.
Click to expand...

Yes, I forgot that field goal shooting percentage was the only way to measure how good a shooting guard. Screw three point shooting and free throw percentage.

Besides, both guys were mainly point guards here anyways.

oh and Smith's frosh season wasn't better than Golden's sophomore year anyways.
 
#1,041
#1,041
Vercingetorix said:
You're missing my point. It wasn't that we lost to Oklahoma State; it was how. We had a dramatic, exploitable size advantage in that game....which Pearl proceded to ignore. We just shot threes. We never made any attempt to just get it in low and take advantage of how much taller our guys were. Chism shot more threes than twos. We just kept heaving up the threes, and when they didn't go in, we lost. There was no Plan B. There was no apparent effort made to change what we were doing and beat the team in front of us.

That's what I mean when I say that Pearl wasn't that good as an actual basketball coach. His teams didn't know how to do anything other than run and shoot threes. They played like an overmatched Milwaukee team even when they had every physical advantage imaginable. It's great when the threes are going in, but you're helpless when they're not.
Click to expand...

Where was this big size advantage? I think we were bigger at the guard and wing positions but chism was just one inch taller and weighed less than the guy guarding him...Tyler smith did dominate his man for 21 points. You claim pearl couldn't coach offense or defense....you do not win as many games as he did nor beat some of the great teams that he beat without being a good coach.
 
#1,042
#1,042
bleedingTNorange said:
Disagree strongly...

Getting a lot of wins does not always mean you're a good coach

And losing a lot does not always mean you're a bad coach

Personally I don't think Cal is one of the better X's and O's coaches in the country, but by your standards he'd rank right up there.

He plays a style that will work at a mid major type of school very well, and will pile up wins. Heck, it worked well enough at UT to make us relevant again, but it's not a style of play that is going to result in consistently deep runs IMO. There's a reason the Dukes, Kentuckys, UNC's, Cuse's etc etc aren't running that style of game.

I'm not saying Pearl was a bad coach, I just wouldn't rank him up there with some of the guys his wins put him with.
Click to expand...

Notice you left Garry Williams off of the list who made pretty consistent deep runs using a system similar to pearls...Bruce pearl was only here six yrs and had beaten several highly ranked teams with his system. He made two sweet sixteens and an elite eight...that is pretty dang good in a short time here. To claim that is as far as he could have taken us is ridiculous.
 
#1,043
#1,043
alaVOL said:
Little premature?

Guess his will be a classic for years to come. Martin may bring Tennessee more BB success than ever in it's history if keeping recruiting like he is.
Click to expand...

Everyone here is hoping for that, I want nothing more to think Pearl is our second best coach in our history.
 
#1,044
#1,044
bleedingTNorange said:
^ the fact you just said Ramar smith was a good shooting guard forced me to discredit the entire post.

Had to be the worst shooting guard I've ever seen.
Click to expand...

I meant to just point out the guards that where fit in CBP's run and gun offense during Pearl's first 3 years. I did say "shooting". I'm shocked that you didn't correct me on Ramar or even CJ being a "shooting" guard. How in world did you miss that? Must be slipping. Both played the "point". So, since he wasn't a "shooting" guard then how can he be the worst that you have seen? Hmmmm.... With the ball in his hand he was one of the fastest in the league. He was pretty darn good his fresh year. Could have gone as far as he wanted to if he stayed off the drugs.
 
Last edited:
#1,045
#1,045
UT IE 95 said:
What was the drop in defensive ppg from 11 to 12?
Click to expand...

That's be a useful comparison if the rosters had been comparable.

If you couldn't tell that the team was playing better defense in the second half of the season than they'd been playing in years, I don't know what to tell you.
 
#1,046
#1,046
Vercingetorix said:
That's be a useful comparison if the rosters had been comparable.

If you couldn't tell that the team was playing better defense in the second half of the season than they'd been playing in years, I don't know what to tell you.
Click to expand...

Wouldn't the drop off in talent be in offensive instead of defensive talent? Cuonzo had us playing good defense, not the best defense I have seen a Tennessee team play(not pearl) I think pearl's team played better defense than given credit for.
 
#1,047
#1,047
Vercingetorix said:
That's be a useful comparison if the rosters had been comparable.

If you couldn't tell that the team was playing better defense in the second half of the season than they'd been playing in years, I don't know what to tell you.
Click to expand...

I was only curious if the data supported the claim or if it was an eye test. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
#1,048
#1,048
It continuously amazes me the few that will constantly argue just to argue. I mean really, arguing who's better between Ramar Smith and Golden? One, I hope can stay in front of small guards and keep his head on his shoulders at the end of close games and the other pissed away NBA tallent after his freshman year because of drugs after he was picked first team all SEC freshman team. I mean who really cares.
 
Last edited:
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.

VN Store



Back
Top