Good thing Tennessee didn’t hire Lane!

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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
I’m laughing at you thinking they don’t. Prime example…Brian Kelly in his prime on fire at Cincinnati for Lane Kiffin fired for losing big in Oakland.
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He was bringing Monte and Orgeron with him. Had the endorsement of Pete Carroll.

As for the Raiders, Kiffin didn’t do any worse than Art Shell. It was pretty well-known that Al Davis was meddling.

He was a big name at the time. He’d have been a head coach somewhere else if we hadn’t hired him.
 
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West Vol said:
He was bringing Monte and Orgeron with him. Had the endorsement of Pete Carroll.

As for the Raiders, Kiffin didn’t do any worse than Art Shell. It was pretty well-known that Al Davis was meddling.

He was a big name at the time. He’d have been a head coach somewhere else if we hadn’t hired him.
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The Monte thing is what sealed it. Hamilton became obsessed with the idea that Lane, if hired, would bring him to Knoxville. I don’t know that Orgeron was a sure thing, but Lane floating the idea probably didn’t hurt his chances.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Butch Jones interviewed for lots of jobs…Brady Home interviewed for jobs…Rich Rodriguez interviewed for jobs…Ed Orgeron fired from Ole Miss interviewed for jobs…fired coaches interview for jobs all the time 😂 SERIOUS CANDIDATE? Says who? Clemson’s message board posters 😂?

I have never seen so many so defensive over a guy that we opened our arms up to and accepted…only to put us in this situation we have been in now since 2010. It is like some of you suffer from battered wife syndrome. Kiffin is a great coach even if he used us as a mud stomped WELCOME mat to become what he is today…he’s grown up a lot I mean most adult grown men in their 30’s making millions are immature, can’t stay committed longer than a year, & wreck less with others lives…he has tweeted about us in the past so he must miss us…I mean he named his kid Knox even though he set this program back 10 years…he didn’t want to run the score up on us as Bama’s OC but we deserved it anyway for being upset he wrecked our program…

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You can’t possibly believe one man wrecked the program for a decade. I love TN football but it’s a wrecked program because it is poorly ran from the top. College football is a business and the TN football business is the problem. A huge portion of the fan base is looking for a marriage between the head coach and the program. TN had that with Majors and Fulmer/Chavis which is very rare. I agreed with the Fulmer decision at the time but not really how it was handled. Those relationships between programs and coaches don’t come around often. It’s a business and needs to be ran like one. Hire the best and if it doesn’t work hire the next best until you get it right. The current coach might be the best only time will tell. TN, in my opinion, has not hired the best over the past decade. Kiffin or no Kiffin hire the best who will take the job. If no big named coaches want the TN job then that tells you there a major problem in the top of the organization because TN should be one of the premier jobs in America. The fact that it isn’t is not the fault of a guy who coached here 12 years ago.
 
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TexasVol281 said:
You can’t possibly believe one man wrecked the program for a decade. I love TN football but it’s a wrecked program because it is poorly ran from the top. College football is a business and the TN football business is the problem. A huge portion of the fan base is looking for a marriage between the head coach and the program. TN had that with Majors and Fulmer/Chavis which is very rare. I agreed with the Fulmer decision at the time but not really how it was handled. Those relationships between programs and coaches don’t come around often. It’s a business and needs to be ran like one. Hire the best and if it doesn’t work hire the next best until you get it right. The current coach might be the best only time will tell. TN, in my opinion, has not hired the best over the past decade. Kiffin or no Kiffin hire the best who will take the job. If no big named coaches want the TN job then that tells you there a major problem in the top of the organization because TN should be one of the premier jobs in America. The fact that it isn’t is not the fault of a guy who coached here 12 years ago.
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To be honest, the program started going backwards at halftime of the 2001 SEC Championship game. If anyone is at fault it’s Saban for out coaching us in the 2nd half of that game. If we win that game then we beat Miami in the NC game. Miami would not have been able to run on us like they did everyone else, we were built for them.
 
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West Vol said:
You put forth an impossible standard for proof and then act like you’ve proven something.

You have a weak mind.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary amounts of proof. If you cannot provide said proof, then you are proven to be wrong.
 
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TexasVol281 said:
You can’t possibly believe one man wrecked the program for a decade. I love TN football but it’s a wrecked program because it is poorly ran from the top. College football is a business and the TN football business is the problem. A huge portion of the fan base is looking for a marriage between the head coach and the program. TN had that with Majors and Fulmer/Chavis which is very rare. I agreed with the Fulmer decision at the time but not really how it was handled. Those relationships between programs and coaches don’t come around often. It’s a business and needs to be ran like one. Hire the best and if it doesn’t work hire the next best until you get it right. The current coach might be the best only time will tell. TN, in my opinion, has not hired the best over the past decade. Kiffin or no Kiffin hire the best who will take the job. If no big named coaches want the TN job then that tells you there a major problem in the top of the organization because TN should be one of the premier jobs in America. The fact that it isn’t is not the fault of a guy who coached here 12 years ago.
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We could’ve had Brian Kelly but Hamilton hired Kiffin. Kiffin bailed and no one of relevance would consider us. Sure the school had to bargain bin shop but why? Because we hired the wrong guy…who I actually supported from the start when it came to the search. I lived in LA while he was at USC then Oakland. I heard all about his recruiting ability from sports talk radio out there. He could have turned us into a power…but he bailed…gave this program herpes…and no one of high regard has wanted to touch us since. That’s what happens…you have to get the ball boy because he can fog a mirror while the captain of the team porks your girlfriend in the back seat of the car both laughIng at you.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary amounts of proof. If you cannot provide said proof, then you are proven to be wrong.
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There’s nothing extraordinary about a coach inquiring about an open position. It’s about as ordinary as it gets.

And no, logic doesn’t work that way. The absence of proof means nothing is proven either way.
 
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Flathead75 said:
And they already fired him as the scapegoat when he was QB coach! Don't see him going back to be burned again. Stoops, his former hero coach fired him. He was essentially burned by his alma mater!
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Getting fired as a QB coach vs being interviewed for a head gig over a decade later is not a big deal....... Especially if OU's targets turn it down.

I mean look at Kiffin and USC. Dude was in USC at the height of the scandal years, but was still 5th or 6th on their list. He got the job after so many guys turned it down. If Heupel has Tennessee winning and OU comes calling, no one is going to care about what happened in the 2000's.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What did lane accomplish that butch didn’t here?
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He definitely fell short of some big Butch milestones.
Worst season in school history.
Only one conference win without Josh Dobbs.
Five seasons and zero wins over SEC-West opponents.
Losing to all seven SEC East teams and every SEC West team he has faced.
.500 against Vanderbilt.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What did lane accomplish that butch didn’t here?
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It's true that Lane's first foray here is greatly exagerated in what he accomplished. We got blown out on the road by a mediocre Ole Miss team, embarrassed in the bowl, and IMO should have beaten UCLA and Auburn.

But he has improved greatly since then. I will say that its also true that he benefited from a well-stocked (and well-paid) larder at Ole Miss on the offensive side of the ball, but yeah he has them tuned up and running well.

We'll see what happens in a couple weeks when they play bammer.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
And we are off to such a lovely start aren’t we ?
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Not terrible. How bad would it be if we had lost to BG or Tech? Losing 28 players to the portal, most considered Pitt a toss up and yet now we all think we should have won. Thats progress I guess.

More to my point, a decade is a long time. Plenty can happen in a decade.

It's not going to improve if we start giving up on coaches after three games though.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The scholarship reductions show up down the road. Kiffin took over a stacked USC team. They had signed the 1,2 4, 3, 2 ranked classes in the nation in the years leading into Kiffin landing there.
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I'm not sure if you're agreeing with my point or trying to argue against it. Either way, scholarship reductions or not, he signed back to back top 5 classes, followed by the 8th ranked class in 2012. So clearly he was still pulling elite talent, even if he wasn't getting as many players. Also, USC was head and shoulders above everyone else in the Pac 12 in recruiting during this time. Only Oregon was remotely close over these 3 years, with an average recruiting ranking of 12.67 (or 13th if you round up). Yet despite the elite talent he inherited and the elite talent he pulled, he managed only a 43-28 record, with one 10 win season sprinkled in among 3 and half other mediocre seasons.

For reference, Urban Meyer took over an Ohio State program with similar sanctions levied against them, and his team went undefeated in year 1 and they never lost more than 2 games his entire tenure at Ohio State.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You do understand that fifteen top athletes is not the same as twenty-five? Or do you?
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You do realize that 15 blue chip prospects are better than 25 mediocre athletes? Or do you? You ever hear the term quality over quantity?

Regardless, he pulled 20+ players each of his first 2 recruiting classes, so your point is moot.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
We could’ve had Brian Kelly but Hamilton hired Kiffin. Kiffin bailed and no one of relevance would consider us. Sure the school had to bargain bin shop but why? Because we hired the wrong guy…who I actually supported from the start when it came to the search. I lived in LA while he was at USC then Oakland. I heard all about his recruiting ability from sports talk radio out there. He could have turned us into a power…but he bailed…gave this program herpes…and no one of high regard has wanted to touch us since. That’s what happens…you have to get the ball boy because he can fog a mirror while the captain of the team porks your girlfriend in the back seat of the car both laughIng at you.
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Gary Patterson is the one who begged for the job and Hamilton turned him down because he was “too much of a football coach”.

If Hamilton was smart, Kiffin would have never been hired and we probably wouldn’t have ended up with Dooley if he just gave Patterson the job.

We would have been a lot better off that way.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You typed several words without a trace of intelligible thought - congratulations on being a champion of prevarication and nonsense.
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LOL, when you resort to insults, you know you have lost the argument.

Everything I said in that post was 100% true. But thanks for playing. Now run along while the adults talk.
 
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