Good thing Tennessee didn’t hire Lane!

[BigOrangeTrain]

Kiftin is one of the best recruiters/coaches/offensive minds in the country. He may have the Heusman winner this year. Hell Ole Miss may beat Bama. They have them a heck of a game last year and this years Bama team isn’t in last years level.

Ole Miss is #3 in the country in total offense. They are tied for 5th nationally in scoring offense.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Kiftin is one of the best recruiters/coaches/offensive minds in the country. He may have the Heusman winner this year. Hell Ole Miss may beat Bama. They have them a heck of a game last year and this years Bama team isn’t in last years level.

Ole Miss is #3 in the country in total offense. They are tied for 5th nationally in scoring offense.

And?

 

[Carp]

It’s a nice lil force field you’ve built around yourself. Just call errybody else stupid and retire undefeated.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

 

[Carp]

Kiftin is one of the best recruiters/coaches/offensive minds in the country. He may have the Heusman winner this year. Hell Ole Miss may beat Bama. They have them a heck of a game last year and this years Bama team isn’t in last years level.

Ole Miss is #3 in the country in total offense. They are tied for 5th nationally in scoring offense.

Just for reference, we are currently ranked 17th nationally in total offense, despite starting a new QB and losing more than half of our offensive starters from a year ago.


No one is saying Ole Miss doesn't have a good offense (hell maybe even a great offense), but you also have to consider context here. They have faced a FCS school, a Tulane team currently ranked 125th in total defense, and a Louisville team ranked 86th in total defense. And Ole Miss themselves are are ranked 55th in total defense, despite playing a weak schedule so far. The point is, don't put the cart before the horse. Let's see him take an Ole Miss team to a 10 win regular season before we start pronouncing him as a top 10 coach in the country. Luckily for him, he pulled TN and Vandy out of the east this year, so it shouldn't be that difficult if Ole Miss can beat 4 SEC West teams.

Kevin Sumlin was a hot name 6-7 years ago too, coaching up a Heisman winner. Now, he's been fired from 2 diifferent schools and he's currently unemployed.

 

[Carp]

Dupe. Delete

 

[butchna]

If you’d like to retract the false liar accusation I’d be happy to stop accurately describing you.

Liar til you ain’t. Your intelligence evaluations are equally credible.

 

[Catbone]

If lane worked out here for us, we would almost aways be right there with FL and GA.

 

[lifeisdeep]

LOL, when you resort to insults, you know you have lost the argument.

Everything I said in that post was 100% true. But thanks for playing. Now run along while the adults talk.

Here again, more nonsense with attempted ad hominem that also fails miserably because insults from mental midgets don't faze me.

See if you can follow here: the quarterback position - you know, the one you admitted we didn't have talent at when Kiffin got here - is far and away the most important one on the field. And Kiffin only improved that position enough that the guy went from being hated by Vol fans to getting drafted.

Also, to claim taking any football program to levels of success previously unknown at that program is irrelevant evinces either a total lack of college football history - Urban Meyer, among others, made his first impact at multiple smaller schools - or a willful dishonesty, or both.

 

[Hairy Vols]

You have an odd definition of "failed" regarding what he did here. He went to a bowl in his first season - remind me the last coach to do that here besides him? He also came within a blocked field goal of beating Bama - remind me of the last coach to do that here, first year or otherwise?

He also had more success at his most recent stop - you know, the one that matters the most, since, you know, people are capable of learning and getting better at stuff they do - than any other coach in their history.

Stop lying.

Did he have more success than Heupel at UCF? Did he have more success than Butch Jones at Cincinnati? How many SEC schools did FAU beat while he was the head coach?

He left the program in worse shape than when he arrived. He didn't fulfill his promises to the players and fan bases. So yes he failed.

IDC about a Lowe tier bowl win and I'm don't care about "almost" bearing Bama. Like everything he does he fell short. He is a loser and a 2nd tier school like Ole Miss is the best case scenario for him.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Here again, more nonsense with attempted ad hominem that also fails miserably because insults from mental midgets don't faze me.

See if you can follow here: the quarterback position - you know, the one you admitted we didn't have talent at when Kiffin got here - is far and away the most important one on the field. And Kiffin only improved that position enough that the guy went from being hated by Vol fans to getting drafted.

Also, to claim taking any football program to levels of success previously unknown at that program is irrelevant evinces either a total lack of college football history - Urban Meyer, among others, made his first impact at multiple smaller schools - or a willful dishonesty, or both.

I see you've taken one Anthropology or Sociology class in your life. Congrats on the "advanced" vocabulary. That being said there isn't one thing on Loggins resume that makes him better than Heupel unless you count failing better.

You're on here defending Kiffin like you're married to him with 4-7 replies at once. Face it, he will never coach here again, he messed up, and both parties have moved on.

He's not even the most qualified candidate and is far less qualified than Heupel. His daddy bailed him out for years with his defensive coaching, which I could argue, is the the only reason he had average success here (his daddy and coaching staff).

He is a flash in the pan hire who never kasts more than 4 years with a school.

 

[Carp]

Here again, more nonsense with attempted ad hominem that also fails miserably because insults from mental midgets don't faze me.

See if you can follow here: the quarterback position - you know, the one you admitted we didn't have talent at when Kiffin got here - is far and away the most important one on the field. And Kiffin only improved that position enough that the guy went from being hated by Vol fans to getting drafted.

Also, to claim taking any football program to levels of success previously unknown at that program is irrelevant evinces either a total lack of college football history - Urban Meyer, among others, made his first impact at multiple smaller schools - or a willful dishonesty, or both.

No one questions his ability to run an offense or get the most out of a QB. But that isn't what makes a good head coach. We had talent everywhere on that 2009 team, including probably the best defense we've had since 2009. Kiffin got beat by UCLA and a mediocre Ole Miss team. Teams that we were considerably more talented than. That seems to be a common trair among Kiffin coached teams. Losing to teams less talented than his own.


Florida Atlantic has had a football team for exactly 20 years. So yes, using his time as HC there and saying "He's the best coach they've ever had! So he must be a good coach!" is extremely dumb.


And tbh, it's way more impressive what Howard Schnellenberger did for Florida Atlantic. He took a program literally from nothing, and built them into a 9 win program in year 1. By year 4, they won a bowl game and had a win against a power 5 school.

 

[Carp]

I see you've taken one Anthropology or Sociology class in your life. Congrats on the "advanced" vocabulary. That being said there isn't one thing on Loggins resume that makes him better than Heupel unless you count failing better.

You're on here defending Kiffin like you're married to him with 4-7 replies at once. Face it, he will never coach here again, he messed up, and both parties have moved on.

He's not even the most qualified candidate and is far less qualified than Heupel. His daddy bailed him out for years with his defensive coaching, which I could argue, is the the only reason he had average success here (his daddy and coaching staff).

He is a flash in the pan hire who never kasts more than 4 years with a school.

He's probably got a word of the day calendar.

 

[Sarms58]

We had about the same shot of getting Saban as we did Kiffin.

 

[rocytop2624]

He’d probably have done well here.Probably needed a DC that could cover a spread not Monte.He would have appeased the rednecks by running off good QB’s(think Tahj Boyd) and started the weak arm of Harrison Bailey tight now.

His offense has changed since he was here in 2009 he has Heupel's offensive coordinator from UCF . Tennessee and Ole Miss run about a identical offense.

 

[rocytop2624]

We had about the same shot of getting Saban as we did Kiffin.

No we could have hired Kiffin before he went to Ole Miss.

 

[ZZ13]

I suppose you think Dooley is as good of a coach as Kiffin?

Just reporting facts at your request.

 

[West Vol]

Liar til you ain’t. Your intelligence evaluations are equally credible.

You seem to put the likelihood of a coach known to have an affinity for a school calling an authority figure at said school in the midst of a coaching search on par with being abducted by aliens.

Simultaneously, you judge the honesty of someone you’ve never met based on an innocuous claim about a plausible situation based on the absence of a proof that couldn’t possibly exist.

So at least we have some evidence as to how your brain works.

 

[West Vol]

We had about the same shot of getting Saban as we did Kiffin.

Had we approached him in 2006 (with a much higher level of seriousness our AD has never shown) we probably could have had Saban and the history books would look a lot different.

We could have had Kiffin last year or probably about any time we wanted after he left USC if the powers that he wanted him. They do not.

 

[VolArmy74]

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with my point or trying to argue against it. Either way, scholarship reductions or not, he signed back to back top 5 classes, followed by the 8th ranked class in 2012. So clearly he was still pulling elite talent, even if he wasn't getting as many players. Also, USC was head and shoulders above everyone else in the Pac 12 in recruiting during this time. Only Oregon was remotely close over these 3 years, with an average recruiting ranking of 12.67 (or 13th if you round up). Yet despite the elite talent he inherited and the elite talent he pulled, he managed only a 43-28 record, with one 10 win season sprinkled in among 3 and half other mediocre seasons.

For reference, Urban Meyer took over an Ohio State program with similar sanctions levied against them, and his team went undefeated in year 1 and they never lost more than 2 games his entire tenure at Ohio State.

I'm agreeing with it. Talent was never a problem at USC while Lane was there.

 

[butchna]

You seem to put the likelihood of a coach known to have an affinity for a school calling an authority figure at said school in the midst of a coaching search on par with being abducted by aliens.

Simultaneously, you judge the honesty of someone you’ve never met based on an innocuous claim about a plausible situation based on the absence of a proof that couldn’t possibly exist.

So at least we have some evidence as to how your brain works.

Went straight to the top and then the top told his folks who of course told YOU? Why would I doubt? As long as you’re brilliant enough to believe this bullshizz why do you need company? My lower level brain smells bs and doesn’t argue with his nose. Lots of good options.

 

[butchna]

Had we approached him in 2006 (with a much higher level of seriousness our AD has never shown) we probably could have had Saban and the history books would look a lot different.

We could have had Kiffin last year or probably about any time we wanted after he left USC if the powers that he wanted him. They do not.

Wasn’t Boyd one of those powers? Ask your buddies.

 

[Fightmaker]

Had we approached him in 2006 (with a much higher level of seriousness our AD has never shown) we probably could have had Saban and the history books would look a lot different.

We could have had Kiffin last year or probably about any time we wanted after he left USC if the powers that he wanted him. They do not.

The Raiders wouldn’t have him back.
USC wouldn’t have him back.
Nick Saban wouldn’t have him back.
Layla wouldn’t have him back.
The only people who have been there, done that with Lane Kiffin who want him back is Volnation.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Did he have more success than Heupel at UCF? Did he have more success than Butch Jones at Cincinnati? How many SEC schools did FAU beat while he was the head coach?

He left the program in worse shape than when he arrived. He didn't fulfill his promises to the players and fan bases. So yes he failed.

IDC about a Lowe tier bowl win and I'm don't care about "almost" bearing Bama. Like everything he does he fell short. He is a loser and a 2nd tier school like Ole Miss is the best case scenario for him.

The neat thing about the internet is that when people lie shamelessly, counting on no one to call them out for it, all it takes to prove such is a couple minutes of research.

FAU went 3-9 the year before Kiffin got there. In his first season, they went 11-3 and won the conference. They went 5-7 his second season, and then in his third and final season they went 10-3 and won the conference again.

No amount of truth distortion can ever make leaving a team at 10-3 "worse" than 3-9. Stop lying.

Josh Heupel went 12-1 his first season at UCF, after they had gone undefeated the previous season under Scott Frost. His second season they went 10-3, and his third season they went 6-4. So Heupel demonstrably, inarguably left UCF worse than he found them. Stop lying.

Come back on here in three years, or even two, and we'll see how much of a loser Kiffin is. Somehow I have a feeling you'll be nowhere to be found when this topic is broached again at that juncture.

 

[lifeisdeep]

I see you've taken one Anthropology or Sociology class in your life. Congrats on the "advanced" vocabulary. That being said there isn't one thing on Loggins resume that makes him better than Heupel unless you count failing better.

You're on here defending Kiffin like you're married to him with 4-7 replies at once. Face it, he will never coach here again, he messed up, and both parties have moved on.

He's not even the most qualified candidate and is far less qualified than Heupel. His daddy bailed him out for years with his defensive coaching, which I could argue, is the the only reason he had average success here (his daddy and coaching staff).

He is a flash in the pan hire who never kasts more than 4 years with a school.

Right, that's why the best coach in the history of college football hired Kiffin to coach his offense, so he could get his daddy to coach defense. Oh, wait...

Come back on here in two years and tell me then how much better of a coach Heupel is than Kiffin. Somehow I have a feeling you'll be conspicuously absent.

 

[lifeisdeep]

No one questions his ability to run an offense or get the most out of a QB. But that isn't what makes a good head coach. We had talent everywhere on that 2009 team, including probably the best defense we've had since 2009. Kiffin got beat by UCLA and a mediocre Ole Miss team. Teams that we were considerably more talented than. That seems to be a common trair among Kiffin coached teams. Losing to teams less talented than his own.


Florida Atlantic has had a football team for exactly 20 years. So yes, using his time as HC there and saying "He's the best coach they've ever had! So he must be a good coach!" is extremely dumb.


And tbh, it's way more impressive what Howard Schnellenberger did for Florida Atlantic. He took a program literally from nothing, and built them into a 9 win program in year 1. By year 4, they won a bowl game and had a win against a power 5 school.

Come back on here in two years and tell me what a mediocre coach Kiffin is when he's competing for the west every year and we're still in the basement of the east and on the verge of another coaching search.