Good thing Tennessee didn’t hire Lane!

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Fightmaker said:
Saban respected Kiffin so much as a coach that he couldn’t stop yelling at him while red faced crazy.
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This is pretty stupid. If Saban didn’t respect him, he never would have hired him in the first place. The only time that he blew up at Kiffin, at least publicly, was at the end of the 2016 Western KY game.
 
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butchna said:
2.0 was better…if you’re referencing Sarkisian.
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I imagine having his system already installed and Tua waiting probably helped matters. Not sure setting several school records while OC is really something to criticize.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Getting fired as a QB coach vs being interviewed for a head gig over a decade later is not a big deal....... Especially if OU's targets turn it down.

I mean look at Kiffin and USC. Dude was in USC at the height of the scandal years, but was still 5th or 6th on their list. He got the job after so many guys turned it down. If Heupel has Tennessee winning and OU comes calling, no one is going to care about what happened in the 2000's.
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This is exactly what I am saying. These guys act like Kiffin was the first primo choice or at least the 2nd/3rd name on the replacement list. Truth is USC's situation was only better than ours from having a roster like Bama's already there. Kiffin didn't have to try to build a damn thing there. He just had to run the show and keep recruiting at a high level...or so he thought. The show he ran...was into the ground. Keep in mind that was with NFL level players....hell he also inherited Matt Barkley then stunk it up.
I am shocked USC isn't rolling up the Brink's truck right now to his house in Mississippi to be honest.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
This is exactly what I am saying. These guys act like Kiffin was the first primo choice or at least the 2nd/3rd name on the replacement list. Truth is USC's situation was only better than ours from having a roster like Bama's already there. Kiffin didn't have to try to build a damn thing there. He just had to run the show and keep recruiting at a high level...or so he thought. The show he ran...was into the ground. Keep in mind that was with NFL level players....hell he also inherited Matt Barkley then stunk it up.
I am shocked USC isn't rolling up the Brink's truck right now to his house in Mississippi to be honest.
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As his successors have proven (without the handicap of scholarship restrictions) there are some problems holding USC back.
 
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West Vol said:
Had we approached him in 2006 (with a much higher level of seriousness our AD has never shown) we probably could have had Saban and the history books would look a lot different.

We could have had Kiffin last year or probably about any time we wanted after he left USC if the powers that he wanted him. They do not.
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lifeisdeep said:
The neat thing about the internet is that when people lie shamelessly, counting on no one to call them out for it, all it takes to prove such is a couple minutes of research.

FAU went 3-9 the year before Kiffin got there. In his first season, they went 11-3 and won the conference. They went 5-7 his second season, and then in his third and final season they went 10-3 and won the conference again.

No amount of truth distortion can ever make leaving a team at 10-3 "worse" than 3-9. Stop lying.

Josh Heupel went 12-1 his first season at UCF, after they had gone undefeated the previous season under Scott Frost. His second season they went 10-3, and his third season they went 6-4. So Heupel demonstrably, inarguably left UCF worse than he found them. Stop lying.

Come back on here in three years, or even two, and we'll see how much of a loser Kiffin is. Somehow I have a feeling you'll be nowhere to be found when this topic is broached again at that juncture.
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Because success at MAC schools equals SEC success? Kiffin was not the most, nor even close to as qualified at Heupel. He cheated to get recruits here, he cheated on his wife, and he has been known to take shortcuts which is why the Raiders fired him and called him the "worst hire they ever made." I've lied about nothing. IDC he Heupel had a BARLEY down year during COVID. His overall record at UCF was better than Kiffins. That's all that matters to me.

Stop making excuses. Kiffin was a horrible hire for Tennessee and it set us back decades, especially considering the cheating and tarnish of reputation.

Why hire someone back who hurt the program fur to his immaturity and lack of self discipline?
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Right, that's why the best coach in the history of college football hired Kiffin to coach his offense, so he could get his daddy to coach defense. Oh, wait...

Come back on here in two years and tell me then how much better of a coach Heupel is than Kiffin. Somehow I have a feeling you'll be conspicuously absent.
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Best coach in college history all hired Butch Jones.. should we hire him back too?
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Come back on here in two years and tell me what a mediocre coach Kiffin is when he's competing for the west every year and we're still in the basement of the east and on the verge of another coaching search.
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You keep telling everyone to come back in two years and then we will see... Bro just go root for Ole Miss and your baby boo Kiffy. Nobody here will mind. 😂
 
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Fightmaker said:
The Raiders wouldn’t have him back.
USC wouldn’t have him back.
Nick Saban wouldn’t have him back.
Layla wouldn’t have him back.
The only people who have been there, done that with Lane Kiffin who want him back is Volnation.
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Hairy Vols said:
Because success at MAC schools equals SEC success? Kiffin was not the most, nor even close to as qualified at Heupel. He cheated to get recruits here, he cheated on his wife, and he has been known to take shortcuts which is why the Raiders fired him and called him the "worst hire they ever made." I've lied about nothing. IDC he Heupel had a BARLEY down year during COVID. His overall record at UCF was better than Kiffins. That's all that matters to me.

Stop making excuses. Kiffin was a horrible hire for Tennessee and it set us back decades, especially considering the cheating and tarnish of reputation.

Why hire someone back who hurt the program fur to his immaturity and lack of self discipline?
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What cheating? All those secondary violations? And what tarnish to Tennessee’s reputation? Tennessee employing sh*tty athletic directors has had a much bigger impact on the program than anything Kiffin did during his 13 months on the job.
 
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Boston Vol said:
This is pretty stupid. If Saban didn’t respect him, he never would have hired him in the first place. The only time that he blew up at Kiffin, at least publicly, was at the end of the 2016 Western KY game.
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He had clearly lost whatever respect he had from the time he dug him out of the trash until the National championship game. Because he told him thanks but no thanks on sticking around to be his OC for that game.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Because success at MAC schools equals SEC success? Kiffin was not the most, nor even close to as qualified at Heupel. He cheated to get recruits here, he cheated on his wife, and he has been known to take shortcuts which is why the Raiders fired him and called him the "worst hire they ever made." I've lied about nothing. IDC he Heupel had a BARLEY down year during COVID. His overall record at UCF was better than Kiffins. That's all that matters to me.

Stop making excuses. Kiffin was a horrible hire for Tennessee and it set us back decades, especially considering the cheating and tarnish of reputation.

Why hire someone back who hurt the program fur to his immaturity and lack of self discipline?
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Heupel better be cheating if he wants to win here. I assure you all the schools with ten year win streaks on us are cheating like crazy.

Kiffin set us back one year by leaving at a very bad time. His violations were inconsequential. Hire an interim and then a real coach for the 2011 season and the program is back up and running in a couple of years.

No single coach could have put us into this crater. It was an appalling series of outstandingly awful decisions that got us to this point. A series of novels could be written on the topic.
 
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Birdie said:
Phil played that game conservative for sure. Once up he didn't need to be aggressive with our D vs Outzen. They had no real chance. Phil was a ball control guy, learned from Major's and never adapted. I guess you could say ego did him in cause he wasn't willing to hire an innovative OC and give up the reigns. I think he tried with Clawson.
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And then didn't allow Clawson the room to make the change, which wasn't anything close to a RPO offense. Phil, I believe, was apprehensive about Clawson because the long term plan was for Clawson to replace Phil when he retired. Clawson, btw, has been a success everywhere he's been other than UT. That could have been progression that would have avoided the funk we've suffered through the last 13 years
 
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Boston Vol said:
This is pretty stupid. If Saban didn’t respect him, he never would have hired him in the first place. The only time that he blew up at Kiffin, at least publicly, was at the end of the 2016 Western KY game.
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Kiffin took Saban out of an outdated offense. I believe if you asked him right now about Kiffin, even behind closed doors, his opinion would be far more towards praise than anything negative
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Because success at MAC schools equals SEC success? Kiffin was not the most, nor even close to as qualified at Heupel. He cheated to get recruits here, he cheated on his wife, and he has been known to take shortcuts which is why the Raiders fired him and called him the "worst hire they ever made." I've lied about nothing. IDC he Heupel had a BARLEY down year during COVID. His overall record at UCF was better than Kiffins. That's all that matters to me.

Stop making excuses. Kiffin was a horrible hire for Tennessee and it set us back decades, especially considering the cheating and tarnish of reputation.

Why hire someone back who hurt the program fur to his immaturity and lack of self discipline?
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Kiffin Bama to now is more qualified than anything Heupel has done. That’s fact.

When you had in the immaturity issues from Raiders, Tennessee, and USC, he gets closer to Heupel. But there is nothing smart about trying to make Heupel somehow equal or better to Kiffin. Saban had OC opening 2 times after Kiffin. Wonder why he never went after Heupel? Not like Brian Daboll or Sark were that much better.


By the way - I consider Heupel to be one of th best offensive coaches in the country.
 
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Fightmaker said:
He had clearly lost whatever respect he had from the time he dug him out of the trash until the National championship game. Because he told him thanks but no thanks on sticking around to be his OC for that game.
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And Saban lost a title because Sark’s playcalling in that 4th quarter of the Natty went to sh!t. Clemson went out and won that Natty but Sark went brain dead in the 4th with playcalling.
 
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West Vol said:
As his successors have proven (without the handicap of scholarship restrictions) there are some problems holding USC back.
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Sark is the one who had to deal with those reductions the most. He coached the small classes that were upper classmen by then, as Kiffin's last two recruiting classes had something like 13 and 14 players, it was only good for 2nd in the Pac-10 those two years. Kiffin got to play with a ton of NFL level talent he inherited from Carroll.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Sark is the one who had to deal with those reductions the most. He coached the small classes that were upper classmen by then, as Kiffin's last two recruiting classes had something like 13 and 14 players, it was only good for 2nd in the Pac-10 those two years. Kiffin got to play with a ton of NFL level talent he inherited from Carroll.
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Having only 70 scholarship players must have been pretty sobering.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Because success at MAC schools equals SEC success? Kiffin was not the most, nor even close to as qualified at Heupel. He cheated to get recruits here, he cheated on his wife, and he has been known to take shortcuts which is why the Raiders fired him and called him the "worst hire they ever made." I've lied about nothing. IDC he Heupel had a BARLEY down year during COVID. His overall record at UCF was better than Kiffins. That's all that matters to me.

Stop making excuses. Kiffin was a horrible hire for Tennessee and it set us back decades, especially considering the cheating and tarnish of reputation.

Why hire someone back who hurt the program fur to his immaturity and lack of self discipline?
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You seem to think typing a lie enough times makes it true. For example, insisting that a coach whose record got worse every year he was at his school (Heupel) somehow did a better job than a coach who improved his team's record by seven wins and won his conference in his first season.

I think I'll do us both a favor and make use of ye' ol' ignore button for you.
 
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