Gov. Lee announces permitless gun legislation

[NEO]

Gov. Bill Lee announces permitless gun legislation; bill would increase penalties for gun thefts

I’ll start this off by saying I consider myself conservative and believe in the second amendment. This, however, is ridiculous. Carrying a gun is not something that should not be taken lightly. How or why is it asking too much to ask someone to get proper training before carrying a deadly weapon in public?

I have a concealed carry permit.

The license did not require any proper training.

About a day at a fun shop talking legal stuff and then three shots at the range.

I agree there should be proper training but the license part was a joke.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

I doubt there will much if any increase in people concealed carrying as a result. People were already CC without permits anyway, especially convicted felons and those intent on committing an armed crime. Where are all the Dems that should be delighted that this is a win for their low income constituents?

 

[Coug]

Just because they spent money.

Not just because they spent money. They attended an instructed class where you are taught gun safety, proper handling, local laws, proper stance and precision/grouping. You can't put a minimal price on that knowledge.

 

[Only_1_OK]

As it is, 16 states already have constitutional carry and I haven't seen any reports of those states having issues with carriers negligently discharging firearms.

It went into effect here in Oklahoma last November and I can't tell you how many times I've had to dodge bullets from two people out there getting into a shootout that were Constitutionally carrying. I mean, it turned into the wild, wild west where everyone is getting shot at.

Just kidding, no incidents 4 months in that have been reported. Tho I will continue to keep my permit up to date because I work in Texas and they haven't passed it yet.

 

[hog88]

Not just because they spent money. They attended an instructed class where you are taught gun safety, proper handling, local laws, proper stance and precision/grouping. You can't put a minimal price on that knowledge.

They were not taught any of that, they might have been given a brief introduction.

 

[NCFisher]

Gov. Bill Lee announces permitless gun legislation; bill would increase penalties for gun thefts

I’ll start this off by saying I consider myself conservative and believe in the second amendment. This, however, is ridiculous. Carrying a gun is not something that should not be taken lightly. How or why is it asking too much to ask someone to get proper training before carrying a deadly weapon in public?

No, it is not too much to request, especially when the populace is no longer as accustomed to weaponry as in our founding era.

Further, I'd argue it is not only responsible, but that the 2ndA gives states that authority to "well-regulate" the militia by ensuring proper use. Government should use tax coffers to fund the requirement.

The exception would be if someone has come under threat. I think a CCW should still be required of them, but they shall not have to wait for the license to be able to protect themselves.

 

[NCFisher]

Sounds good. Now let's have sellers and manufacturers be legally liable if someone is accidentally killed by the carrier if they took no action to ensure that person was responsible. Let's keep the government out of it, and put the training and safety on the private industry.

Sellers and manufacturers do not regulate safe usage in any industry, so a big 'no' to holding them liable. Government may require a CCW course and that can be performed by private industry. Let's keep people - users - responsible for their actions instead of making firearms usage an exception.

Was that implied blue font?

 

[NCFisher]

10 of the Largest Car Company Settlements in History
More car makers sued over defective air bags
FORD PAYING MILLIONS IN SUITS
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/d...of-manufacturers-and-auto-part-suppliers-7651
Under federal law, car manufacturers and auto part suppliers are liable for injuries, damages, and deaths caused by defective cars and dangerous auto parts.

Your last sentence cuts the legs out from your argument. It's clearly a statement that cars themselves are not inherently dangerous, just like guns.
If a gun were made of soft metal and blowing apart in people's hands, sue away; defective.
If the sear were cut so fine as to have a hair-trigger, or hammer/firing pin designed so tightly that just bumped caused discharge, sue away; dangerous parts.
So, yeah, let's treat guns just like cars.

 

[NCFisher]

I don't think you want to use driver licensing to support an argument for carry licensing. Have you driven lately?

As it is, 16 states already have constitutional carry and I haven't seen any reports of those states having issues with carriers negligently discharging firearms.

Oh, c'mon; do you think you're going to hear about every/any unintentional discharges or injuries? Hell, you don't even hear about any/all the murders that happen in those 16 states.

About 500 people die annually from unintentional shootings, and 11,000 unintentional firearm injuries occur annually. Firearm injuries in the United States

 

[Roustabout]

Gov. Bill Lee announces permitless gun legislation; bill would increase penalties for gun thefts

I’ll start this off by saying I consider myself conservative and believe in the second amendment. This, however, is ridiculous. Carrying a gun is not something that should not be taken lightly. How or why is it asking too much to ask someone to get proper training before carrying a deadly weapon in public?

I agree completely. I’m for gun owner rights, but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

No, it is not too much to request, especially when the populace is no longer as accustomed to weaponry as in our founding era.

Further, I'd argue it is not only responsible, but that the 2ndA gives states that authority to "well-regulate" the militia by ensuring proper use. Government should use tax coffers to fund the requirement.

The exception would be if someone has come under threat. I think a CCW should still be required of them, but they shall not have to wait for the license to be able to protect themselves.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

 

[0nelilreb]

No, it is not too much to request, especially when the populace is no longer as accustomed to weaponry as in our founding era.

Further, I'd argue it is not only responsible, but that the 2ndA gives states that authority to "well-regulate" the militia by ensuring proper use. Government should use tax coffers to fund the requirement.

The exception would be if someone has come under threat. I think a CCW should still be required of them, but they shall not have to wait for the license to be able to protect themselves.

You know the ones ( populace) that aren’t use to seeing it ? The ones that aren’t around it all the time . The ones of us that see it don’t think anything about it . The populace in Open carry states are very use to it . It’s not a big deal

 

[hog88]

I agree completely. I’m for gun owner rights, but this is getting ridiculous.

Then as usual you are not for rights.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Poll the local violent criminals and see if they had a familiarization class....

Either you believe in the right to bear arms or you don’t. The last damn thing you want is the people the second amendment was written to stop, having regulatory power over your possession of arms. This **** isn’t hard.

Its called constitutional carry not permitless carry.

 

[NCFisher]

You know the ones ( populace) that aren’t use to seeing it ? The ones that aren’t around it all the time . The ones of us that see it don’t think anything about it . The populace in Open carry states are very use to it . It’s not a big deal

I'm not referring to people's sensibilites or whether they're accustomed seeing carry, but rather responsible use, carry, and storage of firearms. I think that's a significant deal and we'd have fewer than 11K accidental shootings injuries each year.

 

[NCFisher]

This is why we can’t have nice things.

It's well within a state's power to ensure you've basic familiarity with how to carry responsibly. It doesn't prevent you from having "nice things". The CCW system is working well to date, and your rights are secure.

 

[hog88]

I'm not referring to people's sensibilites or whether they're accustomed seeing carry, but rather responsible use, carry, and storage of firearms. I think that's a significant deal and we'd have fewer than 11K accidental shootings injuries each year.

I know it’s unbelievable but I was a responsible gun owner long before the .gov sold me a permit.

 

[hog88]

It's well within a state's power to ensure you've basic familiarity with how to carry responsibly. It doesn't prevent you from having "nice things". The CCW system is working well to date, and your rights are secure.

And it’s within a state’s rights to not require anything.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

It's well within a state's power to ensure you've basic familiarity with how to carry responsibly. It doesn't prevent you from having "nice things". The CCW system is working well to date, and your rights are secure.

Governor of Tennessee: Hey citizens, here’s some of your liberty back.
You fudds: Naw, fam, we’re good.


You can still get your permission slip if you’d like.

 

[NCFisher]

I know it’s unbelievable but I was a responsible gun owner long before the .gov sold me a permit.

I was a good driver at the age of 16, but unbelievably that didn't make everyone else a good driver.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

It's well within a state's power to ensure you've basic familiarity with how to carry responsibly. It doesn't prevent you from having "nice things". The CCW system is working well to date, and your rights are secure.

Have you taken the course? I had a 90+ year old guy shooting .25 wadcutter that could barely see the target and Tactical Chad who dumped his mag so quickly the gun jammed more than once. It’s a joke and is not affording you any more safety than permitless carry.

 

[hog88]

I was a good driver at the age of 16, but unbelievably that didn't make everyone else a good driver.

The two are not relatable.

 

[NCFisher]

Governor of Tennessee: Hey citizens, here’s some of your liberty back.
You fudds: Naw, fam, we’re good.


You can still get your permission slip if you’d like.

Did someone place a restriction on your purchase and keeping a firearm? Gee, don't think so. Does government routinely turn you out, militia-man, to regulate you thought the have the power (and I'd argue, obligation)? No. Sounds like your rights are more than being respected.

You post is reactive nonsense. Unless - God spare the rest of us - you think government should place no regulation on commerce in firearms, or - say - your freedom to travel around in a 2-ton vehicle alongside 330M other Americans.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Did someone place a restriction on your purchase and keeping a firearm? Gee, don't think so. Does government routinely turn you out, militia-man, to regulate you thought the have the power (and I'd argue, obligation)? No. Sounds like your rights are more than being respected.

You post is reactive nonsense. Unless - God spare the rest of us - you think government should place no regulation on commerce in firearms, or - say - your freedom to travel around in a 2-ton vehicle alongside 330M other Americans.

Wouldn’t bother me a bit. I am for the freedom of the individual.

 

[hog88]

Did someone place a restriction on your purchase and keeping a firearm? Gee, don't think so. Does government routinely turn you out, militia-man, to regulate you thought the have the power (and I'd argue, obligation)? No. Sounds like your rights are more than being respected.

You post is reactive nonsense. Unless - God spare the rest of us - you think government should place no regulation on commerce in firearms, or - say - your freedom to travel around in a 2-ton vehicle alongside 330M other Americans.

The comma in the 2A separates the militia and the people.