Gruden next UT Coach??????

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You have a personal vendetta against DD and thats on you, I would say if DD fails this year we will replace him but we have a much improved roster than what we had 4 years ago so the next coach won't have near the struggles that DD has faced. That is not speculation but a fact, lived here in Knoxville my whole life, followed the Vols for over 40 years and the talent left on this roster was worse than when Majors took over not to mention the SEC is much tougher than what it was in the late 70's and 80's
 
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GmanTN said:
You have a personal vendetta against DD and thats on you, I would say if DD fails this year we will replace him but we have a much improved roster than what we had 4 years ago so the next coach won't have near the struggles that DD has faced. That is not speculation but a fact, lived here in Knoxville my whole life, followed the Vols for over 40 years and the talent left on this roster was worse than when Majors took over not to mention the SEC is much tougher than what it was in the late 70's and 80's
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He has many vendettas. Pissed off little man syndrome and he tries to take out frustrations from his own shortcomings on anonymous web posters. Pretty pitiful when that's what it takes for a personal moral boost.
 
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GmanTN said:
You have a personal vendetta against DD and thats on you, I would say if DD fails this year we will replace him but we have a much improved roster than what we had 4 years ago so the next coach won't have near the struggles that DD has faced. That is not speculation but a fact, lived here in Knoxville my whole life, followed the Vols for over 40 years and the talent left on this roster was worse than when Majors took over not to mention the SEC is much tougher than what it was in the late 70's and 80's
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I despise Dooley. Never have hidden that. Shouldn't have been hired. Want him to win, though. But won't shed a tear when he rides off into the sunset and back into Mommy's arms.
 
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NYYVol said:
I despise Dooley. Never have hidden that. Shouldn't have been hired. Want him to win, though. But won't shed a tear when he rides off into the sunset and back into Mommy's arms.
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You make it sound like he kicked your dog so therefore you dislike him. I remember his dad coaching at GA and it pains me to see the name Dooley as our coach but he is not Vince he is his own man. He has embraced our traditions, he has cleaned up a lot of the thug stigma associated when Phil was here, he has had to assemble staffs and recruits twice now in 3 years which is very tough to do and succeed at any level. We have a top 5 WR corp, some big boys on D and things are starting to come together and for that the man deserves some credit for.
 
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NYYVol said:
I despise Dooley. Never have hidden that. Shouldn't have been hired. Want him to win, though. But won't shed a tear when he rides off into the sunset and back into Mommy's arms.
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I dont have a problem with anything you say here. I dont 'despise' DD but he hasnt set our fb world on fire either. I want him to win and hope he does. If he doesnt then maybe mid majors would be better for him.

But to think Gruden is the answer is ludacris. If you subscribe to the theory that the game passed by CPF then you cannot think that a guy that has been out of college coaching for 21 years is on top of his game. Even worse, the last time he coached a game was 4 years ago in 2008.

There are alot more coaches that can bring us back up to prosperity if DD is asked to leave. Gruden isnt one of them.
 
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NYYVol said:
Yes.
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Ok, I just don't get that we don't see eye to eye on this. We have both been apart of the game and we both have an inside aspect of the game that most people don't see. The only thing I see is that you hate coach Dooley plain and simple
 
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NYYVol said:
Of course he isn't his Daddy. He hasn't had Herschel around to hop onto.

He's smug, arrogant and hasn't earned one right to be the way that he is, other than knowing what type of coffee that Nick Saban likes.
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How many D1 staffs have you been a part of?
 
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NYYVol said:
Coaches make the move from one level to the next without a hitch from year to year. There are different deals to each, but pretending that an upper echelon coach of Gruden's caliber couldn't make the transition to college is laughable. Worst case scenario he surrounds himself with a solid career collegiate staff and goes to work.
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Given that, how is ANY of it going to be Gruden's doing?? "Upper Echelon" coaches should be able to win with assistants from the West Montana College of Animal Husbandry. They shouldn't need elite assistants, that's why they're "upper echelon".

NYYVol said:
Comparing Phil Failmer to Jon Gruden is laughable.

And look at what he did to Tampa?
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I've already compared Gruden to Phil Fulmer. Please try to keep up. Fulmer only started seniors, Gruden LOVES him some old players (Joey Galloway, Michael Pittman, Jeff Garcia, and let's not forget Mr. All-Universe, Brian Griese). GmanTN and Greve know what's up. See below.

GmanTN said:
He won a SB with Dungy's players and proceeded to have one of the worst offenses for years while at Tampa.
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GreveHaller said:
it sure is laughable. Gruden has never coached a college game. Never been a coordinator either. Even Dooley has a better cfb record than JG.

What did he do at Tampa? really? He goes there and wins a SB in his 1st year. Nice. Very nice. With Dungey's players.

Then in the next 6 seasons goes 45-51.

And you seriously want to hang our hopes on him? :crazy:
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(thanks, guys)

NYYVol said:
Compared to Derek Dooley? Everyday of the week and thrice on Sunday.
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So, the point is made. You despise Derek Dooley, a point that you made yourself. Noted. I disagree with your statement, but that's neither here nor there. This is my level of respect for Jon Gruden. You ready?? I'd rather have Ozzy Osbourne as head coach of Tennessee. GRUDEN IS GARBAGE, and if (by some fluke of the cosmos) he is hired at UT, he'll be fired within three years. Mark my words.





Escape Goat said:
Oh noes. Douche ex femina won't be a fan.
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Ouch, that hurt SO bad. This coming from the guy with the screen name that says to me "I support Bestiality and practice it every day because the goats call me Daaaaaaaaaaaaddy"
 
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The next coach needs to be a proven recruiter with an established record of success at the major college level and be hired in November (whatever the year). No need to start all over again with head coach bearing built-in excuses.
 
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Actually, I grimace when I see the Gruden thread.

DD came into a football program that no other coach "worth their salt" would take. Fulmer drove it into the ground and Kiffin added more dirt to the pile.

Just look at the situation today, this program is filled with promise for the season. The have a full roster, and a lot of skill at the key positions. This is the season where CDD will show his coaching ability (or lack of... as many here hope).

IMO...CDD will be a fixture at UT for years to come...the man will mature into the role of a head coach of a major football program, we will see a change in him this year.

The Vols under CDD's leadership will win enough games to capture the hearts of even some you you haters.
 
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I don't mind if you think Gruden wouldn't come here, but anyone who feels more comfortable with Dooley running the program than Jon Gruden is lying or stupid.
 
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MBVolFan said:
Just heard the UF announcer from Jacksonville say that he thinks CDD is gone after this year and that HE thinks that Gruden is in. What does everybody think about that?? :unsure::unsure:
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No, no, no, no, no, not again! :no:
 
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NEVolFan said:
Actually, I grimace when I see the Gruden thread.

DD came into a football program that no other coach "worth their salt" would take. Fulmer drove it into the ground and Kiffin added more dirt to the pile.

Just look at the situation today, this program is filled with promise for the season. The have a full roster, and a lot of skill at the key positions. This is the season where CDD will show his coaching ability (or lack of... as many here hope).

IMO...CDD will be a fixture at UT for years to come...the man will mature into the role of a head coach of a major football program, we will see a change in him this year.

The Vols under CDD's leadership will win enough games to capture the hearts of even some you you haters.
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And you KNOW this.....how? Did Hamilton take you with him, to help s'plain all the particulars to the other prospects?
 
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i know im new so ill tread carefully here but unless DD and the team just fall flat i don't see a coaching change.

i hated the fulmer firing but i understood the decision.

i also feel like kiffen would have had us in trouble with the ncca before all was said and done

as a Vol fan i support DD and the team, hope they do well.....lord knows i should've owned stock in millerlite the last 2 years!!

Go Vols!
 
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GreveHaller said:
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Jon Gruden: 3 losing seasons in 11 years in the NFL
Derek Dooley: 4 losing seasons in 5 years in the NCAA.

Jon Gruden: 1 Super Bowl win
Derek Dooley: 1 Independence Bowl win

Right. Only a moron would think a guy who has won a Super Bowl as a head coach is more likely to win than a guy who couldn't get it done in the WAC.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Had to fix your post for you, man.


What part of

GARBAGE

was the hardest to understand?? Let's put it this way. If Jon Gruden is ever named the head coach at the University of Tennessee, there will be one less fan for the time he is the coach. I'll go without college football, and I guaran-damn-tee you that I won't be the only one. You think the "Claw-fense" was atrocious?? Gruden makes Clawson look like Bill Belichick. However, these are just my opinions, so let's go with facts, shall we??

Jon Gruden was hired/traded to the Buccaneers in 2002. The cost?? 2002 1st and 2nd round draft picks, 2003 first-round draft pick, 2004 second round draft pick, and $8 million in cash. Mmkay, so we start off by taking away all hope for getting a young playmaker on the team. That's okay, though, Gruden LOVES him some old players (this seems eerily reminiscent of a former UT HC, just saying....)

To make it easier to understand (all numbers are rankings out of 32 NFL teams)

2002 Offense (12-4, Super Bowl win): 18th in points scored, 24th in total yards.
2003 Offense (7-9): 18th in points scored, 10th in total yards
2004 Offense (5-11): 23rd in points scored, 22nd in total yards.
2005 Offense (11-5): 20th in points scored, 23rd in total yards.
2006 Offense (4-12): 31st in points scored, 29th in total yards.
2007 Offense (9-7): 18th in points scored, 18th in total yards.
2008 Offense (9-7): 19th in points scored, 14th in total yards.


Really indicative of an "offensive genius", amiright?? And oh, yeah, I might wanna mention that the winning seasons you see above?? The defense was top 10 or better, the 2002 squad was #1 overall in points given up and yards given up. Something that Gruden had no control over (take a bow, Monte Kiffin). If Jon Gruden were the coach here at Tennessee, we'd be looking at Ole Miss and Kentucky and thinking "man, I wish we were that good". Seriously. Keep this clown away from Knoxville at all costs. Cut the tires on his airplane, car, bus, and bicycle if you have to.





Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Bless His Noodly Appendage. R'Amen.
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This is dumb. Tennessee would be instantly better and more respected if a name like Gruden came in.
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People need to understand that the reason for guys like Nick Saban and Pete Carroll struggling in the pros isn't that they're just completely different; it's that it's harder to win in the NFL. I'm not saying Gruden would come in and smack Nick Saban around, and I do understand their are certain risks. That said, you can be damn sure I'll trust a Super Bowl winning head coach to run my college football program. Especially if I have to choose between the Super Bowl winner and WAC loser or someone else who may succeed but isn't a proven commodity yet (like Smart, Strong, Sumlin, etc.).
 
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thebjd said:
This is dumb. Tennessee would be instantly better and more respected if a name like Gruden came in.
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There is no question whatsoever that hiring Gruden would:
a) improve the reputation of the Tennessee job.
b) legitimize Tennessee in the eyes of recruits.
 
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Obsessed said:
i know im new so ill tread carefully here but unless DD and the team just fall flat i don't see a coaching change.

i hated the fulmer firing but i understood the decision.

i also feel like kiffen would have had us in trouble with the ncca before all was said and done

as a Vol fan i support DD and the team, hope they do well.....lord knows i should've owned stock in millerlite the last 2 years!!

Go Vols!
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I think most folks would rather see the program and Dooley succeed, but what you have here, is a crowd that keeps trying to stick their finger in the eye of everyone who hasn't been on the Dooley bandwagon, and this just keeps this whole conversation going.

He has done a good job recruiting, all things considered. But he hasn't proven a damn thing yet, as a coach. So, all the Doolanders need to stop it with the BS, and just wait to see how things pan out.
 
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