Gruden next UT Coach??????

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GmanTN said:
The NFL has 32 teams, owners with deep pockets to buy the players they feel gives them the best shot at winning.

The FBS has 124 teams that compete for the chance to be a NC, recruiting is paramount to the success of a college program.

I do not see the NFL having the advantage as being harder to win the SB vs the college game. Both wins needs luck to pull it off to some degree but when you get to choose the best players available and pay them huge salaries it really comes down to controlling egos and maximizing your paid talent.
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The NFL is absolutely harder. The coaching is much better in the NFL, and you can't dominate 90% of your opponents by simply being more talented.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm confident he could recruit at a high level. He has gotten so much exposure that all recruits would know him. Recruits want to get to the NFL, and I have pretty much no doubt Gruden would be able to convince recruits he can get them to the NFL, and he'll be able to find a staff to back him up unless he simply isn't willing to look.
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Gruden makes over 4 million a year working a very short amount of time compared to the life of a college coach.

Gruden has proven thru out his coaching career he is horrible at picking a QB and then he is horrible at coaching the QB indirectly.

If Gruden was serious about coaching in college why has he not gone and got certified thru the NCAA to be able to coach and recruit.

Gruden would be the biggest idiot to ever live to give up his easy big salary gig to come to UT and have to actually work hard for his money. That is why this thread is silly and will never come to take place.
 
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GmanTN said:
Gruden makes over 4 million a year working a very short amount of time compared to the life of a college coach.

Gruden has proven thru out his coaching career he is horrible at picking a QB and then he is horrible at coaching the QB indirectly.

If Gruden was serious about coaching in college why has he not gone and got certified thru the NCAA to be able to coach and recruit.

Gruden would be the biggest idiot to ever live to give up his easy big salary gig to come to UT and have to actually work hard for his money. That is why this thread is silly and will never come to take place.
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I agree with you in that I don't think he would take the job. But have you ever thought he may just want to get back into coaching?

And as far as quarterbacks, Gruden turned the Raiders into a winner with Rich Gannon, then he won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The NFL is absolutely harder. The coaching is much better in the NFL, and you can't dominate 90% of your opponents by simply being more talented.
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That is your opinion not mine, you also have teams in every FBS conference with talented teams. The last I checked the number 124 is greater than 32 and the college game is more of a beauty contest if you will because it is based on appeal.

The coaching is better in the NFL because you are working with the best of the best and you do not have all the time regulations in the NFL as you do in college therefore you can get a player better prepared.
 
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GmanTN said:
That is your opinion not mine, you also have teams in every FBS conference with talented teams. The last I checked the number 124 is greater than 32 and the college game is more of a beauty contest if you will because it is based on appeal.
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There aren't a lot of teams in college that can win in any given year. It's not like you have to battle 120+ great teams.

The coaching is better in the NFL because you are working with the best of the best and you do not have all the time regulations in the NFL as you do in college therefore you can get a player better prepared.
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The coaching is better in the NFL because the coaches are better
 
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tvolsfan said:
I agree with you in that I don't think he would take the job. But have you ever thought he may just want to get back into coaching?

And as far as quarterbacks, Gruden turned the Raiders into a winner with Rich Gannon, then he won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson.
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Grudens offenses were never air it out offenses, they relied on running the ball, safe throws and let his defenses contol the game. The problem with that is in college you will not look attractive to recruits playing that style of offense. The problem he had in the NFL would also follow him to the college level and IMO he is not going to go to a college to coach after being in the NFL and his gig now is surrounded by the NFL and draft picks.
 
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GmanTN said:
Grudens offenses were never air it out offenses, they relied on running the ball, safe throws and let his defenses contol the game. The problem with that is in college you will not look attractive to recruits playing that style of offense.
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I guess this explains why Mike Leach always dominates Nick Saban in recruiting.
 
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GmanTN said:
Grudens offenses were never air it out offenses, they relied on running the ball, safe throws and let his defenses contol the game. The problem with that is in college you will not look attractive to recruits playing that style of offense. The problem he had in the NFL would also follow him to the college level and IMO he is not going to go to a college to coach after being in the NFL and his gig now is surrounded by the NFL and draft picks.
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Hmmm...you might want to go back and take another look at that Raider team of his. They had a pretty solid passing attack, even with a pedestrian QB.

...and for the record, I don't think there is any chance Gruden would ever become HC at UT.
 
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tvolsfan said:
There aren't a lot of teams in college that can win in any given year. It's not like you have to battle 120+ great teams.

The same can be said for the NFL, look how many SB's teams like Green Bay, Chicago, New England, Raiders, San Fran and Dallas have won over the years. Deeper pockets typically result in more wins

The coaching is better in the NFL because the coaches are better
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They have more time to coach and they are always dealing with guys who when in college were known for being elite at their position. How hard is it if you have half your team with talented elite players like Mayo or Berry....not so hard when viewed from that angle.
 
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GmanTN said:
...but when you get to choose the best players available and pay them huge salaries it really comes down to controlling egos and maximizing your paid talent.
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Wow! That's oversimplying things just a tad. The last time that I checked the NFL had a draft, and the worst teams had the opportunity to draft the best players. Let's not act like Jerry Jones can just open up his wallet and buy the 53 best players in the NFL in order to ensure championships every year. If it were that easy, then Jerry would have already done it.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I guess this explains why Mike Leach always dominates Nick Saban in recruiting.
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The way Saban demands his teams to play defense if he had the firepower on offense like Leach puts on the field.... Bama would be even more dominant.
 
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GmanTN said:
That is your opinion not mine, you also have teams in every FBS conference with talented teams. The last I checked the number 124 is greater than 32 and the college game is more of a beauty contest if you will because it is based on appeal.

The coaching is better in the NFL because you are working with the best of the best and you do not have all the time regulations in the NFL as you do in college therefore you can get a player better prepared.
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Take a look at the past 14 years of cfb coaches, nfl coaches that won NC and number of times
. Just looking at the past 14 years because that is how many years the BCS has been around standardizing who is the only nc, like the nfl

College

Nick Saban 3
Urban Meyer 2
Bobby Bowden 1
Butch Davis 1
Gene Chizik 1
Jim Tressel 1
Larry Coker 1
Les Miles 1
Mack Brown 1
Pete Carroll 1
Phillip Fulmer 1

NFL

Bill Belichick 3
Tom Coughlin 2
Bill Cowher 1
Brian Billick 1
Dick Vermeil 1
Jon Gruden 1
Mike McCarthy 1
Mike Shanahan 1
Mike Tomlin 1
Sean Payton 1
Tony Dungy 1


Same number of coaches with 3 NCs, same with 2, and same with 1.

Like you pointed out, the nfl only has 32 teams. CFB has 124. Take half of that away being non BCS schools and its still double the amount of teams in the running to win.

Sure looks like you're right G
 
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GmanTN said:
The way Saban demands his teams to play defense if he had the firepower on offense like Leach puts on the field.... Bama would be even more dominant.
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LOL! If you think for a second that Saban wants a Leach-style offense but just doesn't know how to go about doing it, then you're even less knowledgeable than I gave you credit for being.
 
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Vol423 said:
Wow! That's oversimplying things just a tad. The last time that I checked the NFL had a draft, and the worst teams had the opportunity to draft the best players. Let's not act like Jerry Jones can just open up his wallet and buy the 53 best players in the NFL in order to ensure championships every year. If it were that easy, then Jerry would have already done it.
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Each year at the draft do NFL teams not access the best talent for that particular round and best fit for their team. When it comes down to free agency it allows franchises to also select players provided they are not over their salary cap. Years ago there really wasn't a salary cap it was much like it is in baseball where the Yankees have deep pockets and go out and buy what they feel is the best talent for their club.
 
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Vol423 said:
LOL! If you think for a second that Saban wants a Leach-style offense but just doesn't know how to go about doing it, then you're even less knowledgeable than I gave you credit for being.
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I never said he wanted it I said if he had an offense like that they would be even more dominant.
 
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GmanTN said:
I never said he wanted it I said if he had an offense like that they would be even more dominant.
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If Alabama had a Leach-style passing attack, then its defense would be on the field a lot more than it is. As a result, it would NOT be the same defense. You either believe that a team's offense and defense play in a vacuum by themselves, or you are intentionally choosing to ignore the fact that they impact each other.
 
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When Bama gets up on a team the defense pins their ears back and get after an offense even harder which typically for Bama results in more 3 and outs which means a Leach style offense would score even more points. Saban runs a ball control offense because that is what he feels comfortable with in calling a game. If Saban had a high power offense the way he wants his team to play defense they would be more dominant because Bama don't lose games once their up 14 to 21 points.

Defense wins championships but a strong offense can sometimes make a defense even stronger.
 
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GmanTN said:
When Bama gets up on a team the defense pins their ears back and get after an offense even harder which typically for Bama results in more 3 and outs which means a Leach style offense would score even more points. Saban runs a ball control offense because that is what he feels comfortable with in calling a game. If Saban had a high power offense the way he wants his team to play defense they would be more dominant because Bama don't lose games once their up 14 to 21 points.

Defense wins championships but a strong offense can sometimes make a defense even stronger.
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Thank you for removing any doubt that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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If you can't grasp the concept of how much harder it would be to beat Bama if they were averaging 35 points a game on offense the way that they play defense, then I can't help that.
 
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