Gun control debate (merged)

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Orangeburst said:
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Sen. Jeff Wilson detained, arrested at Hong Kong airport for possession of firearm - Jeff Wilson

OLYMPIA – Sen. Jeff Wilson, R-Longview, was arrested at the Hong Kong airport Friday night after he discovered a pistol in his carry-on luggage and reported it to customs authorities. Wilson has been charged with possession of an unregistered firearm. He was released Sunday after posting bail...
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we have to take our shoes and belts off, empty our pockets and let some weird ass TSA grope us if they desire
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I'm quite sure they're not happy to check skanky rednecks.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
I literally keep shaking my head reading his opinion on this. No, the government is not responsible for its failures. The criminal is certainly not for engaging in criminal activity. Turns out the home owner is the one deserving prosecution.

Seriously, @lawgator1 , all kidding aside, I frankly cannot understand how anyone, let alone someone of your professional background in the United States (other countries have different legal basis and cultures), arrives at the conclusion the homeowner is culpable in the circumstance we have been discussing. I'm not joking when I say this type of thinking scares me. It is more dangerous than a mob long term. I do not think you're alone on this; in fact far from it.

So let me ask you a serious question: do you think this would have been a common opinion 50 years ago? 40? If not, when do you think it changed and why? Not trying to start an argument or setting a "gotcha" trap. I'm trying to understand.
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When did it change? 40 years ago we didn't have a mass shooting in America every week--duh.

Rubes like guns because they've got nothing better to do in the sticks than talk about their guns with Earl in the trailer next door. We're talking about people who've never read a book or been to a museum or cultural event in their lives. Gun shows ARE their cultural events! 😭 😭 😭
 
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turbovol said:
When did it change? 40 years ago we didn't have a mass shooting in America every week--duh.

Rubes like guns because they've got nothing better to do in the sticks than talk about their guns with Earl in the trailer next door. We're talking about people who've never read a book or been to a museum or cultural event in their lives. Gun shows ARE their cultural events! 😭 😭 😭
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a couple things got changed.

first, the bar for mass shootings got drastically lowered under Obama. It used to be 5 or more deaths, not including the shooter, and gang only shootings weren't counted. Now its 4 people shot, no one has to be killed, the shooter is included, and gang only activities are counted. that has artificially inflated the numbers. also with the news cycle these days they push the stories a lot more than they used to so you are a lot more aware of the shootings that happen, which also artificially increases the number.
second, over the last 40 years guns have been demonized instead of being seen purely as tools like they were 40 years ago. because of that demonization when someone wants to do something bad, they have been trained to think of a gun as bad too. the mindset that guns are evil lends to their usage in evil acts.
third, part of the second really, but there is far less knowledge about guns than there used to be. gun ownership and usage used to be far more common. so more people were trained/raised to respect guns. and the first thing drilled into everyone's head is gun safety. that lends itself to a group of people who aren't going to see the gun as a weapon. there was a reason you could store your loaded rifle in the back of your truck, people knew to respect it, and it worked. now as I said, they are just seen as weapons. Its like if we stopped pushing drivers ed, would you be surprised if driving got less safe?
fourth, the gun laws that have occurred over the last 40 years, have had a negative impact on criminal gun violence. No Gun Zones have become death traps, while things like gun shows continue to have zero shootings. the negative relationship between the two can't be ignored.
 
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turbovol said:
When did it change? 40 years ago we didn't have a mass shooting in America every week--duh.

Rubes like guns because they've got nothing better to do in the sticks than talk about their guns with Earl in the trailer next door. We're talking about people who've never read a book or been to a museum or cultural event in their lives. Gun shows ARE their cultural events! 😭 😭 😭
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40 years ago we weren't prescribing anti-depressants, ADD and/or anti-psychotic drugs to kids in lieu of discipline. We didn't excuse bad behavior as an imaginary mental illness, we didn't coddle everyone and worry about their self-esteem.
 
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I've seen two things this week that have caused me to take pause. I'm wondering now if they're related and if they're related I wonder what they signify.

The first is the rumors of an impending ammo shortage. We have plenty of domestic manufacturing capability. As a matter of fact, some have announced layoffs suggesting demand isn't strong. We know that's not true. Some have built huge warehouses and it's been said they're just hoarding it to reduce supply to make the prices go even higher. I'm not convinced that's the reason. I've seen limited to no steel cased stuff available. I'm guessing the Russian stuff has dried up since Joe's ban therefore limiting less expensive alternatives to domestic and imported brass.

The second came out last night that the commerce department has put a 90 day moratorium on exports of civilian firearms and ammo. Not import, but export. This is a head scratcher to me. Their explanation is nonsensical, imo.

Without me sharing my theory, I'd like to see what others think. Are these two things related? If so what could be going on?
 
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evillawyer said:
Pray tell, what was inaccurate?

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The Kentucky long rifle was the “weapon of war” of the day. Soldiers carried it, Citizens carried it.

The Framers saw fit to enshrine in the Constitution our right to bear arms, including the most lethal arms of the day.

Do you think they didn’t envision technological advancement with regards to firearms?
 
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85SugarVol said:
The Kentucky long rifle was the “weapon of war” of the day. Soldiers carried it, Citizens carried it.

The Framers saw fit to enshrine in the Constitution our right to bear arms, including the most lethal arms of the day.

Do you think they didn’t envision technological advancement with regards to firearms?
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