Gun control debate (merged)

[hog88]

Im suggesting young black/white/brown/Asian/purple/ should not have guns

Just the government should have guns?

 

[McDad]

I went to the same school as my dad. He went 84-88 and I went 10-14. The change in that amount of time is far more radical than people think.

Hell. We took Tn hunter safety course in sophomore pe. We shot skeet on the football practice field during school hours.

 

[85SugarVol]

Good thing baseball isn’t big in the UK. Kids would be playing whiffle ball until they’re 18 to get a composite bat.

It’s all so silly.

Take away the guns, they’ll pick up a knife.
Take away the knives, they’ll pick up a bat.
Take away the bats, they’ll pick up a tire iron.

They’ll pick up a damn brick if it’s all that’s available.

But yea, the object is “the problem”.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Just the government should have guns?

Not surprising the guy who says “blah blah blah 30 years ago” is unaware of how that typically plays out.

 

[85SugarVol]

Hell. We took Tn hunter safety course in sophomore pe. We shot skeet on the football practice field during school hours.

Progressive nightmare fuel

 

[Christian Lowe]

Hell. We took Tn hunter safety course in sophomore pe. We shot skeet on the football practice field during school hours.

I’m almost certain that if you had a gun anywhere visible, even locked in your car, you’d be immediately expelled when I went.

I’m amazed that teacher wasn’t fired that i mentioned.

 

[McDad]

Progressive nightmare fuel

My son's high school has a competitive gun shooting club. But nothing happens on campus, ever. It's all off site at ranges.

 

[85SugarVol]

My son's high school has a competitive gun shooting club. But nothing happens on campus, ever. It's all off site at ranges.

My daughters go to an all girls Episcopal School.

They have a trap team.

 

[Christian Lowe]

It’s all so silly.

Take away the guns, they’ll pick up a knife.
Take away the knives, they’ll pick up a bat.
Take away the bats, they’ll pick up a tire iron.

They’ll pick up a damn brick if it’s all that’s available.

But yea, the object is “the problem”.

The guy who assassinated the Japanese PM candidate a few years ago made the gun himself out of PVC pipe.

Any of us can make any gun we want with a nice 3D printer today.

There’s no stopping the guns, even if they were the issue. They know that. They want them taken away for many reasons, none of them having to do with saving American lives.

 

[MurphyVol]

There are a lot of small, easy steps that could make a big impact but the government is too scared/lazy to do it.

Require an extensive background check to purchase a weapon.

Have a national database where people are flagged once they check into a mental health facility.

Require guns to be registered into a national database. This could be done a the local sheriff's department. If I want to sell my gun to my neighbor, we meet at the sheriff's department, a background check is run on my neighbor. If he passes, I sign the gun over to him much like signing over a car title. If a gun registered to me is found to be used in a crime, and I haven't reported it as stolen, then I should a least be subject to significant fines.

With the technology today it's really pretty easy to implement a lot of these.

 

[Christian Lowe]

There are a lot of small, easy steps that could make a big impact but the government is too scared/lazy to do it.

Require an extensive background check to purchase a weapon.

Have a national database where people are flagged once they check into a mental health facility.

Require guns to be registered into a national database. This could be done a the local sheriff's department. If I want to sell my gun to my neighbor, we meet at the sheriff's department, a background check is run on my neighbor. If he passes, I sign the gun over to him much like signing over a car title. If a gun registered to me is found to be used in a crime, and I haven't reported it as stolen, then I should a least be subject to significant fines.

With the technology today it's really pretty easy to implement a lot of these.

They already do all of these

 

[hog88]

My dad said everyone just had their guns in the back of their pickup truck at school. No one cared.

When I was in high school, a teacher known to be a gun nut had a principal illegally enter his unlocked car without probable cause and got in trouble because he had a Glock in his center console.

We both went to the same high school btw.

That was the way it was when I was in HS especially during deer season and surprisingly we never had a shooting.

 

[MurphyVol]

They already do all of these

Then how did a guy I worked with buy a handgun on his lunch break 48 hours after checking out of a mental health facility? He had benn admitted for attempted suicide.

Also the state I live in requires zero background checks for private party sales.

 

[hog88]

I went to the same school as my dad. He went 84-88 and I went 10-14. The change in that amount of time is far more radical than people think.

I’m the same age as your dad and you’re probably close to my son’s age. He couldn’t even carry a pocket knife to school.

 

[volfanhill]

100%. Cut and dry cases of murder, child/ sexual abuse, elder abuse, etc: string 'em up.

100% no. The government has killed numerous innocent people. The government has been caught time and again breaking the law to get convictions. F them. They don't get to be trusted to kill people

 

[kiddiedoc]

There are a lot of small, easy steps that could make a big impact but the government is too scared/lazy to do it.

Require an extensive background check to purchase a weapon.

Have a national database where people are flagged once they check into a mental health facility.

Require guns to be registered into a national database. This could be done a the local sheriff's department. If I want to sell my gun to my neighbor, we meet at the sheriff's department, a background check is run on my neighbor. If he passes, I sign the gun over to him much like signing over a car title. If a gun registered to me is found to be used in a crime, and I haven't reported it as stolen, then I should a least be subject to significant fines.

With the technology today it's really pretty easy to implement a lot of these.

Uh, not familiar with the firearm purchase process?

Hell, to get a cylinder with the sole function of limiting my guns' noise pollution, I had to be printed, photographed, pay $200, and wait 7 months.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The gang bangers might be deterred, but I doubt it.

The school shooters go into it either expecting to be killed or to kill themselves after.

It’s far deeper than just lack of punitive deterrence.

I think the gang bangers might be deterred. I agree that it’s far deeper, but there needs to be a more severe penalty involved. The difference might even be psychological.

 

[hog88]

Hell. We took Tn hunter safety course in sophomore pe. We shot skeet on the football practice field during school hours.

Same here. Opening day of rifle season was an excused absence for boys.

 

[kiddiedoc]

100% no. The government has killed numerous innocent people. The government has been caught time and again breaking the law to get convictions. F them. They don't get to be trusted to kill people

I said "cut and dry."

 

[Christian Lowe]

Then how did a guy I worked with buy a handgun on his lunch break 48 hours after checking out of a mental health facility? He had benn admitted for attempted suicide.

Also the state I live in requires zero background checks for private party sales.

Probably don’t have red flag laws either, which is what I’m referring to.

To be transparent, I don’t like any of those laws, especially red flag.

The way it works is if someone reports you as a danger to yourself or others, your guns will be confiscated. No due process, no probable cause. Only an accusation needed.

As for background checks and registries.. they obviously serve to let the government know who has weapons, and how many. It shouldn’t be hard to figure out how that can be used nefariously by the government.

 

[hog88]

Not surprising the guy who says “blah blah blah 30 years ago” is unaware of how that typically plays out.

Used to be able to order a rifle from Sears and have it delivered by mail. So the access argument is BS.

 

[hog88]

There are a lot of small, easy steps that could make a big impact but the government is too scared/lazy to do it.

Require an extensive background check to purchase a weapon.

Have a national database where people are flagged once they check into a mental health facility.

Require guns to be registered into a national database. This could be done a the local sheriff's department. If I want to sell my gun to my neighbor, we meet at the sheriff's department, a background check is run on my neighbor. If he passes, I sign the gun over to him much like signing over a car title. If a gun registered to me is found to be used in a crime, and I haven't reported it as stolen, then I should a least be subject to significant fines.

With the technology today it's really pretty easy to implement a lot of these.

Umm, hell no. Enough said.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Used to be able to order a rifle from Sears and have it delivered by mail. So the access argument is BS.

He still hasn’t responded to my question as to why mass shootings weren’t ever an issue when you could walk into a gun store and buy an Uzi, but after banning the most destructive weapons for mass casualties.. the incidence skyrocketed.


That’s a total paradox to the “banning the guns will solve everything” argument.

 

[MurphyVol]

Uh, not familiar with the firearm purchase process?

Hell, to get a cylinder with the sole function of limiting my guns' noise pollution, I had to be printed, photographed, pay $200, and wait 7 months.

As I said, a coworker bought a gun on his lunchbreak 48 hours after being released from a mental health facility. He was admitted for attempted suicide. And my state requires zero background checks for private party transactions. So actually I'm quite familiar with the process.

 

[volfanhill]

I said "cut and dry."

Yea and people consider that confessions. Which have proven to be falsely achieved . F them. Why would you trust the gov to do this honestly?