Gun control debate (merged)

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MurphyVol said:
Then how did a guy I worked with buy a handgun on his lunch break 48 hours after checking out of a mental health facility? He had benn admitted for attempted suicide.

Also the state I live in requires zero background checks for private party sales.
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No matter the number and scope of the governing laws, some will always break them.

Responsible gun owners have never, and will never, be the problem.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Uh, not familiar with the firearm purchase process?

Hell, to get a cylinder with the sole function of limiting my guns' noise pollution, I had to be printed, photographed, pay $200, and wait 7 months.
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I know a guy through my wife, older fella. Probably in his 80’s.

He refused to pay the government the $200 after the NFA was signed in 86 on his Uzi.

He still has it today. I can’t imagine what would happen to that old man, who wouldn’t hurt anybody, if it were ever found
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Ok, then how about legalizing people taking matters into their own hands? Somebody messes with my kid or wife, I get to handle it without repercussions?
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Ehh, I get the sentiment and if I were on a jury in case like this I’d vote not guilty. But I can see how such a system would be abused.
 
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MurphyVol said:
There are a lot of small, easy steps that could make a big impact but the government is too scared/lazy to do it.

Require an extensive background check to purchase a weapon.

Have a national database where people are flagged once they check into a mental health facility.

Require guns to be registered into a national database. This could be done a the local sheriff's department. If I want to sell my gun to my neighbor, we meet at the sheriff's department, a background check is run on my neighbor. If he passes, I sign the gun over to him much like signing over a car title. If a gun registered to me is found to be used in a crime, and I haven't reported it as stolen, then I should a least be subject to significant fines.

With the technology today it's really pretty easy to implement a lot of these.
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kiddiedoc said:
Ok, then how about legalizing people taking matters into their own hands? Somebody messes with my kid or wife, I get to handle it without repercussions?
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Iirc someone did this. A guy molested his daughter, and the father snuck into the trial and shot him point blank in the head on his perp walk.

He was found not guilty in his own trial.

Think this happened in Louisiana in the 80’s.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Ok, then how about legalizing people taking matters into their own hands? Somebody messes with my kid or wife, I get to handle it without repercussions?
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kiddiedoc said:
Ok, then how about legalizing people taking matters into their own hands? Somebody messes with my kid or wife, I get to handle it without repercussions?
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so if you take the matters into your own hands, and kill the person who you think killed your wife, but they didn't do it, can their family kill you? Sounds like a dumb way to
Do things.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I said "cut and dry."
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Who’s gonna determine “cut and dry”?

The DA? The Jury? No thank you.

Every innocent man put to death in this country was believed (ostensibly) by the DA to be guilty in a “cut and dry” case.

Every one of them was found guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt” by a jury of their peers.

False confession is as old as man.
False witness is as old as man.
And man (law enforcement) is fallible.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
I know a guy through my wife, older fella. Probably in his 80’s.

He refused to pay the government the $200 after the NFA was signed in 86 on his Uzi.

He still has it today. I can’t imagine what would happen to that old man, who wouldn’t hurt anybody, if it were ever found
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Here’s a story for you.

A client of mine is a serious gun nut, he has pictures of his guns on his phone like most people have pics of their kids. An elderly neighbor of his called him when her husband died wanting to know if he’d be interested in buying his guns. He went and looked, one of the guns was a German machine pistol he brought home from the war. Apparently he never registered it as a war trophy so my client told the lady to call the ATF and turn it in. They arrested and charged her.
 
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MurphyVol said:
There are a lot of small, easy steps that could make a big impact but the government is too scared/lazy to do it.

Require an extensive background check to purchase a weapon.

Have a national database where people are flagged once they check into a mental health facility.

Require guns to be registered into a national database. This could be done a the local sheriff's department. If I want to sell my gun to my neighbor, we meet at the sheriff's department, a background check is run on my neighbor. If he passes, I sign the gun over to him much like signing over a car title. If a gun registered to me is found to be used in a crime, and I haven't reported it as stolen, then I should a least be subject to significant fines.

With the technology today it's really pretty easy to implement a lot of these.
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A national gun registry database?

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