Guns don't kill

#126
#126
MG1968 said:
it's pretty easy to kill someone in a lot of ways, Great Britain has a pretty extensive gun ban, but people keep getting murdered.
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Surely you are not saying if there were no guns in this country that the murder rate would be just as high. I don't think many people can throw a knife that well, plus allot of killings in this country are not planned murders, they happen in the heat of the moment, and it's much easier to shot someone than any other method to end another's life. For the planned murder, yes if someone is really intent on killing an individual there are plenty of ways to go. Not to mention the accidental shootings in this country, it's kind of hard, relatively, to accidently knife someone to death.

Example. Other than the police and military, there are very few guns in China. They have 10 X the population of the U.S, but 1/10 the murder rate.
 
#127
#127
overseasorange2 said:
Example. Other than the police and military, there are very few guns in China. They have 10 X the population of the U.S, but 1/10 the murder rate.
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Yes, but as I stated earlier Switzerland has no shortage of guns (including thousands of full-out military machine guns like the Sig 510/550 in private hands) but the culture is different. For instance, in '06 Swiss police recorded 34 successful or attempted murders using firearms and 69 involving bladed weapons. Beyond the obvious disparity between those two numbers don't ignore how low even the combined number is when you consider we're talking about a country of over 7 million.

As for China, well, they far and away lead the world in executions. Being a criminal, nevermind murderer, is a hell of a lot more dangerous there than it is here.
 
#128
#128
hndog609 said:
As for China, well, they far and away lead the world in executions. Being a criminal, nevermind murderer, is a hell of a lot more dangerous there than it is here.
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That can't possibly be it because it screws up the anti-gun argument.
 
#132
#132
overseasorange2 said:
Capitol punishment is alive and well in Texas, but the crime rate remains very high.
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Since capital punishment was reinstated in 1976 TX has averaged less than 14 executions per year and the average time for them to get around to the actual execution is over 10 years. It's better than nothing but that's not exactly the kind of thing that puts "death row" in people's minds until they're already caught.

Let me put this in perspective for you; according to the FBI in '07 there were 254 cases of justifiable homicide by private citizens. This does not include the number of times where the presence of a gun sent the vermin scurrying or even when the criminals were only wounded. So far this year in the entire country there've only been 44 executions. If you do the math the legally armed citizen is a hell of a lot more effective at disposing of criminals than the justice system. (not to mention a lot cheaper)
 
#134
#134
hndog609 said:
Yes, but as I stated earlier Switzerland has no shortage of guns (including thousands of full-out military machine guns like the Sig 510/550 in private hands) but the culture is different. For instance, in '06 Swiss police recorded 34 successful or attempted murders using firearms and 69 involving bladed weapons. Beyond the obvious disparity between those two numbers don't ignore how low even the combined number is when you consider we're talking about a country of over 7 million.

As for China, well, they far and away lead the world in executions. Being a criminal, nevermind murderer, is a hell of a lot more dangerous there than it is here.
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We could use some of that caning stuff over here. Whip they ass.
 
#135
#135
The Constitution doesn't say guns have to be registered and only certain people should be able to own guns. It's very clear that we all have a right to own and use guns. Registering our firearms makes it easier for cops to find the criminal when registered guns are used in crime but it also will make it easier for the government to take our guns. Some of you may need to experience living under totalitarian rule like Cuba or China but I can imagine it and I don't want it. It's as if you have complete faith that the government is always going to be there to save you but it isn't. I hope you don't find out the hard way.

The argument that it's about saving lives is as disingenuous as it gets. The same folks who argue for gun control to save lives are the same folks that argue for abortion rights. Ridiculous.
 
#137
#137
azVolFan said:
The Constitution doesn't say guns have to be registered and only certain people should be able to own guns. It's very clear that we all have a right to own and use guns. Registering our firearms makes it easier for cops to find the criminal when registered guns are used in crime but it also will make it easier for the government to take our guns. Some of you may need to experience living under totalitarian rule like Cuba or China but I can imagine it and I don't want it. It's as if you have complete faith that the government is always going to be there to save you but it isn't. I hope you don't find out the hard way.

The argument that it's about saving lives is as disingenuous as it gets. The same folks who argue for gun control to save lives are the same folks that argue for abortion rights. Ridiculous.
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You don't seem to think through your positions very much.
1. Why don't you take your crazy hypothetical on yourself and imagine living in Somalia.
2. The same people who are "pro-life" are often in favor of guns and the death penalty. "Ridiculous"
 
#138
#138
I've never understood the fear of guns and why so many people think the answer is trying to take them away or to limit the ammunition.
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#139
#139
NYYVol said:
I've never understood the fear of guns and why so many people think the answer is trying to take them away or to limit the ammunition.
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You've never understood the fear of something designed to kill? I hope you don't have a gun cause you don't seem to understand the immense responsibility.
 
#140
#140
Ed12111 said:
You've never understood the fear of something designed to kill? I hope you don't have a gun cause you don't seem to understand the immense responsibility.
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Designed to kill? I have two case loads and will always purchase more.

A car can be used as a weapon, let's ban those. Or Hell, let's just make a two door sedan the largest vehicle you can buy.
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#141
#141
NYYVol said:
Designed to kill? I have two case loads and will always purchase more.

A car can be used as a weapon, let's ban those. Or Hell, let's just make a two door sedan the largest vehicle you can buy.
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Are you dense, or are you just trying to obfuscate the point? Anything can be used as a weapon a gun is designed to be a weapon.
 
#142
#142
Ed12111 said:
Are you dense, or are you just trying to obfuscate the point? Anything can be used as a weapon a gun is designed to be a weapon.
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Obfuscate the point? This coming from a fear-monger who doesn't know the first thing about guns.

Clown.
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#145
#145
NYYVol said:
Where does your fear come from? Never been around one, or taught the correct way to use them?
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I've shot guns before. My "fear" comes from the fact that they are extremely dangerous. I don't know why anyone would deny that.
 
#146
#146
Ed12111 said:
I've shot guns before. My "fear" comes from the fact that they are extremely dangerous. I don't know why anyone would deny that.
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There's a ton of shiz that can be considered dangerous. Of course youre going to hear of morons who use them the wrong way, or are dumb enough to let someone put a gun in their mouth. That doesn't mean people who respect guns or treat them the correct way should be punished because of said morons.
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#147
#147
Ed12111 said:
I've shot guns before. My "fear" comes from the fact that they are extremely dangerous. I don't know why anyone would deny that.
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Cars are dangerous in the wrong hands.

Since 2000, 410,838 people have been killed in car accidents

Lets ban cars
 
#150
#150
Ed12111 said:
Because cars serve no other purpose.
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I think the better way to express the point would be that a gun, like a car, is as dangerous as the person "driving". Be careless, negligent or malicious with either and people get maimed or killed. Millions of rounds are fired every year, just like many millions of miles are driven, and the overwhelming majority of the time all ends well. Sometimes it doesn't.

In all cases the inanimate object in question played neither the hero or the villain...it did what it was told.
 
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