Has anyone read this?

#51
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(VolBeef88 @ Mar 2 said:
"I think we assumed too much as to where we were ability-wise," Fulmer told AP.

Ok hat. how about where he says "we" as in he and the coaching staff made an error in assesing where the team was talent wise. In other words they didn't asses the talent properly and make adjustments accordingly. But hey I know you hate CPF and anything negative about the man is a hit with you.
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So last year was a talent issue? God dang, didn't know we had 5-6 talent on that team. Vandy must have been outrecruiting us. Of course, who would be to blame for us not bringing in the talent and developing it?

I only see Fulmer's statement here as shifting blame to the talent level for last year.
 
#52
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(utvolpj @ Mar 2 said:
Yep, mediocre seasons his whole career. :blink:
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Mediocre the last seven years, unless you call going to Peach Bowls and Cotton Bowls and not winning SEC championships something we should aspire to?
 
#53
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Mar 2 said:
Why is it that any reporter who points out anything negative about our team is biased against UT? There are two kinds of sports reporters, guys who just report the facts and guys who like to stir the pot and create some news. The article really did not say anything that was not already posted on this board hundred of times by irate UT fans. The mistakes and disappointments of last season are not going to disappear from history. The closer we get to September the more we will hear and read rehashing of how bad UT was in 2005, accompanied by various analyses of the team's ability to rebound in 2006. I know it's going to be hard for some people to stomach but that's the way it's going to be. Just like some of us who wish Mike Hamilton had the gonads to fire CPF at the end of the season have had to just accept that it ain't gonna' happen.
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Some people will go to their grave defending CPF no matter what. They don't like the article because it tells the truth and hits too close to home. Fulmer only took responsibility last year because he feared for his job, and I am willing to bet was asked to apologize for the season. Fulmer never has been a stand up guy and taking responsibility is out of character for him.

If he had been worth his weight, he would have seen the problems with the receiver corps and the offense before it came to this catastrophe.

As far as Mike Hamilton, I do think he has the gonads to fire CPF.
 
#54
#54
(VolBeef88 @ Mar 2 said:
Because he kicks their butts in recruiting and on the field and is nice while doing it. As far as Pickens goes? He is known as an ass by NFL players, coaches and analysts. Great athelete, sorry attitude towards the game and life.
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Recruiting doesn't mean jack squat if you don't do it on the field. Noone gives out trophies for top recruiting class. I would like to see where Fulmer kicks Tubberville's, Richt's, Spurrier's, or Saban's butt on the field. Are we living some sort of fantasy because evidence points to the contrary.
 
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#55
When has any one said that ND NEEDED Cut. I usually jump on the CPF blame train, but this guy is obviously a hack. I have never seen or heard anyone say that Weiss needed Cut, but he obviously wanted him.
 
#56
#56
Hopefully, Cut watched the way Weiss COACHED his offense last year. There's NO way Cut could have equalled that production.

If there was EVER a season UT's FB Staff needs to be innovative, progressive, demanding & aggressive this is the season.

Otherwise, the Staff can start working on their resumes.
 
#57
#57
(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Really, a friend of mine owns one of the most successful sports bars in the Natti. Pickens was there with a cadre of teammates on a regular basis. As I said, he and Blake were exceptionally close. Boomer Esisason had no problem with him when he came back to the Bengals. The only people in Cincy who really had problems with him were the worthless defensive players that he properly ripped in the media and a couple of overefficious parking attendants. I knew Carl at UT and through mutual aquaintances in Cincy, I think he's a stand up guy.
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Well "hatevol" if you think he is a stand up guy and like Kelly Washington then partner you are in a elite group.
 
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(JasonCajun @ Mar 2 said:
So last year was a talent issue? God dang, didn't know we had 5-6 talent on that team. Vandy must have been outrecruiting us. Of course, who would be to blame for us not bringing in the talent and developing it?

I only see Fulmer's statement here as shifting blame to the talent level for last year.
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Holy crap! Stop the press! Jason only sees bad in CPF!!!!!!! Man that really set me back in my seat. Worn me before you make such a surprising statement.
 
#59
#59
People, Dennis Dodd, the moron of all morons, wrote this article. don't get your panties in a wad.

He does have a point, though...Fulmer did do alot of finger pointing before that letter.
 
#60
#60
I think we can learn a lesson from Coach Pearl. He calls a spade a spade. He has been challenging his players frequently in the media, for example: major, lofton, stanley, patterson etc.

And guess what ?????? Pearl has even admitted when he made some mistakes.
 
#61
#61
(VolBeef88 @ Mar 3 said:
Well "hatevol" if you think he is a stand up guy and like Kelly Washington then partner you are in a elite group.
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I'm proud to be a member of that "elite" group. I tend to let my personal interaction with people carry more weight than the uninformed opinion of the general public.
 
#62
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(orangetd88 @ Mar 3 said:
People, Dennis Dodd, the moron of all morons, wrote this article. don't get your panties in a wad.

He does have a point, though...Fulmer did do alot of finger pointing before that letter.
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Ok let me see if I remember correctly.
We had a bad year and our Offense was horrible. Our QB growth has not been as good as it should be and we are not scoring or playing with disipline on that side of the ball. On D we played hard and with disipline for most of the year and were good enough on that side of the ball to win.

CPF did what? I got a letter as well as many others and the letter was even put on the UT website and distributed to the media so as many fans as possible could get access to it. In the letter he took responsibility. In many newspaper articles on VOL calls and in TV interviews he took full responsibility. Again in the AJC article about spring practice he again took responsibility. Yes he pointed out what happened to a degeree but saying we didn't execute, didn't play with disipline or hold on to the ball (which were and are true statements) is not finger pointing when he follows that up with it being on him.
He made major changes and has taken responsibility. I know that some will never be happy with him. I truly think that if we win out and are NC this year some will be mad at him for it taking so long for him to do it.

The facts are:
He is a very good coach
He is a very good recruiter
He is a stand up guy with character
He was too loyal (if that is a bad thing) to some of his staff trying to give them a chance and believing in them.
He is boring as an interview
He believes in his players and tries to give them every opportunity (maybe too many at times)
He is respected and if we fired him we would be laughed at harder than Ole Miss was about Cut
He is not going to be fired and his job was not in jeopardy at all

 
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#63
(patrick @ Mar 3 said:
I think we can learn a lesson from Coach Pearl. He calls a spade a spade. He has been challenging his players frequently in the media, for example: major, lofton, stanley, patterson etc.

And guess what ?????? Pearl has even admitted when he made some mistakes.
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So your still saying that CPF has not admitted to mistakes or taken blame?
 
#64
#64
Beef, please read my post. It said he did alot of finger pointing BEFORE that letter went out.
 
#65
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(orangetd88 @ Mar 3 said:
Beef, please read my post. It said he did alot of finger pointing BEFORE that letter went out.
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Ok. Let me ask you. If he points out what happens on the field like all coaches do. Is taht finger pointing?
 
#66
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(VolBeef88 @ Mar 3 said:
Ok. Let me ask you. If he points out what happens on the field like all coaches do. Is taht finger pointing?
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Without taking any of the blame himself? Yes.

Again, he sent out the letter to apologize and redeem himself. He did take up for the season there, but he really didn't before.
 
#67
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(orangetd88 @ Mar 3 said:
Without taking any of the blame himself? Yes.

Again, he sent out the letter to apologize and redeem himself. He did take up for the season there, but he really didn't before.
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I think early on he was just doing regular coach speak. I bet he thought things were going to come together. When teams lose early and don't expect to that is how it happens. I don't think pointing out that we didn't hold on to the ball well enough or saying we didn't execute well on routs or what ever they point out is normal coach speak not pointing fingers.
 
#68
#68
I can't pinpoint or remember exactly what point in the season or what was actually said or not said right now, but, at some point, maybe after the UGA loss, he seemed to have just said some things that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't care for his attitude late in the saeson, after everyone knew we had gone in the tank.
 
#69
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(VolBeef88 @ Mar 3 said:
The facts are:

He is not going to be fired and his job was not in jeopardy at all
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That's really the only "fact" that matters. CPF is still, and probably always will be, a sacred cow to a lot of alumni and non-alum fans because of 1998. Since is evidently untouchable maybe we could revise is contract so that he pays back half a million dollars for every game UT looses. If we loose more than five games then he has to write a check to the athletic department.
 
#70
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The letter that Fulmer sent out was for PR only!!!!! Trying to keep the donations up.

I am not going to bash Fulmer because I do think that he should have the chance to turn the program around. And to me 7 and 5 is not a turn around.

That being said I do not believe whatsoever that the infamous letter was heart felt!!!!!!

The proof will be in the pudding.
 
#71
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Mar 3 said:
That's really the only "fact" that matters. CPF is still, and probably always will be, a sacred cow to a lot of alumni and non-alum fans because of 1998. Since is evidently untouchable maybe we could revise is contract so that he pays back half a million dollars for every game UT looses. If we loose more than five games then he has to write a check to the athletic department.
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I would go for that, seeing we are not getting $2.5 million a year results from him. I think we should pay the guy $1 million a year and give him incentives. If he doesn't produce, then he doesn't make $2.5 million.

 
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(VolBeef88 @ Mar 3 said:
The facts are:
He is a very good coach (Yes, but not as good as Tubberville, Saban, Spurrier, and Richt apparently. Even Mike Shula has beaten him.)
He is a very good recruiter. (Can't argue with that. But wins and championships are what matters.)
He is a stand up guy with character. (That is highly debateable. )
He was too loyal (if that is a bad thing) to some of his staff trying to give them a chance and believing in them. (It is a bad thing when you have obvious problems with an offense and wait until you go 5-6 before addressing them)
He is boring as an interview
He believes in his players and tries to give them every opportunity (maybe too many at times)
He is respected and if we fired him we would be laughed at harder than Ole Miss was about Cut. (Respected by whom? UGA, UF, UA, Auburn, LSU fans? What about Clemson, Maryland, Nebraska fans?)
He is not going to be fired and his job was not in jeopardy at all
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#73
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(patrick @ Mar 3 said:
The letter that Fulmer sent out was for PR only!!!!! Trying to keep the donations up.

I am not going to bash Fulmer because I do think that he should have the chance to turn the program around. And to me 7 and 5 is not a turn around.

That being said I do not believe whatsoever that the infamous letter was heart felt!!!!!!

The proof will be in the pudding.
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Well Patrick that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I look around at other coaches in similar situations and don't see this. I have spoken to several former players who told me that letter is the CPF they know and were not surprised by it at all.
 
#74
#74
from Jason The facts are:
He is a very good coach (Yes, but not as good as Tubberville, Saban, Spurrier, and Richt apparently. Even Mike Shula has beaten him.)
He is a very good recruiter. (Can't argue with that. But wins and championships are what matters.)
He is a stand up guy with character. (That is highly debateable. )
He was too loyal (if that is a bad thing) to some of his staff trying to give them a chance and believing in them. (It is a bad thing when you have obvious problems with an offense and wait until you go 5-6 before addressing them)
He is boring as an interview
He believes in his players and tries to give them every opportunity (maybe too many at times)
He is respected and if we fired him we would be laughed at harder than Ole Miss was about Cut. (Respected by whom? UGA, UF, UA, Auburn, LSU fans? What about Clemson, Maryland, Nebraska fans?)
He is not going to be fired and his job was not in jeopardy at all

Of those coaches you named how many of them have more National Championships than CPF? I'll give you a hint ZERO!

You may want to debate him being stand up but you have nothing to show otherwise.

I can accept that he did give his staff a little too much time. But like I said he is a stand up guy and believes in people.

So if SEC fans don't respect CPF he is not respected? That is too funny.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 2 said:
Ask Gibril Wilson, Dante Stallworth and Kelly Washington how much they love him. Carl Pickens left a year early when Fulmer ws OC to get away from his stifling bs sysytem. Cost Carl alot of money, due to the fact he didn't go in the 1st round. That's how much he loves Fulmer.
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Hat, those were terrible examples if you're trying to discredit Fulmer. You're talking about two of the most self centered and disruptive players to ever wear a UT jersey(Pickens and washington). I'm not talking about their play, they were all great players. But washington in particular was like a cancer to our team his second year.
By the way, do you take any kind of pleasure from UT football? I'm not trying to trash you in any way, it's an honest question. You seem to be negative towards anything involving the football team. I'm not questioning your status as a UT fan, I think its our duty to question the coaching staff after a season like last year and believe me I've had my doubts and I don't believe everything Fulmer does is right. But I take genuine pleasure in UT football, always have and always will. You on the other act as if UT football is some kind of thorn in your side.
 
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