Has anyone read this?

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Great story & best wishes for your Mom's recovery.....

Few I know have less that the highest regards for Fulmer as a quality human.
 
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(RealVol @ Mar 5 said:
Great story & best wishes for your Mom's recovery.....

Few I know have less that the highest regards for Fulmer as a quality human.
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Let's try to stay on topic here. Fulmer consistently shows up with the lesser prepared team on the field and is the most obscenely conservative coach (with any tenure) in the country. His football mindset was phenomenally progressive.....back in the 50's, when the wishbone and veer where in vogue, but no longer.

Finally, if I ever see another of his supremely talented defenses go into prevent mode and give away a game, I'm going to start rooting for frickin' Vandy ('cause I'm very unlikely to ever see them in prevent D).
 
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(BigPapaVol @ Mar 5 said:
Let's try to stay on topic here. Fulmer consistently shows up with the lesser prepared team on the field and is the most obscenely conservative coach (with any tenure) in the country. His football mindset was phenomenally progressive.....back in the 50's, when the wishbone and veer where in vogue, but no longer.

Finally, if I ever see another of his supremely talented defenses go into prevent mode and give away a game, I'm going to start rooting for frickin' Vandy ('cause I'm very unlikely to ever see them in prevent D).
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Thanks for your well wishes guys. She went from having the tumor removed in Dec. to being back teaching full time in Feb. Amazing stuff!

BigPapaVol, I think this story was on point. While you chose not to, many people on here take personal shots at our coaches. The stuff that happened to RS was an embarrassment to me as a fan. I feel that their performance on the field in no way translates to the type of person they are off the field. Knocking the coaching is fine, I even do it, but leave the personal crap out of it!

Maybe I wasn't watching close enough but I don't remember ever seeing the "wishbone and veer" offenses in the past couple of years. I do remember CPF, while an OC and HC, putting some pretty amazing offenses on the field through the whole decade of the 90's. Pretty good record in those years. Was he running the single-wing then too?
 
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I think the whole conservative angle is way overblown. Everybody looks conservative when they have an offense that looks like it couldn't score against thin air.

People will probably rip me for it, but I'd say we are as multiple as anybody else.
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 5 said:
I think the whole conservative angle is way overblown. Everybody looks conservative when they have an offense that looks like it couldn't score against thin air.

People will probably rip me for it, but I'd say we are as multiple as anybody else.
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I always thought the knock on UT's offense was that it was TOO complex. That was the reason the freshmen QB's were such a big deal, even if we simplified it for them. Maybe it just sticks out when you see a play you don't agree with. I doubt many people have the fball knowledge to notice little differences in similar looking plays. I know I don't anymore.
 
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I don't consider talking about a coach's results a personal shot. The coaches are public figures, particularly Fulmer, who make darn good money for what they do. If we can't criticize them, then we shouldn't be able to criticize any other public figure.

While I think it is admirable that Fulmer took time out to talk, I still don't think it is very standup to shift blame to talent (in other words, players) or execution (in other words, players) particularly when coaches make 6 figures or more and players are playing for a scholarship.
 
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(JasonCajun @ Mar 5 said:
I don't consider talking about a coach's results a personal shot. The coaches are public figures, particularly Fulmer, who make darn good money for what they do. If we can't criticize them, then we shouldn't be able to criticize any other public figure.

While I think it is admirable that Fulmer took time out to talk, I still don't think it is very standup to shift blame to talent (in other words, players) or execution (in other words, players) particularly when coaches make 6 figures or more and players are playing for a scholarship.
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I have seen quite a few fat/Krispy Kreme jokes on this board from UT fans (used loosely). Leave that to the classless bammers.

Results are not personal and I agree some shots need to be taken every now and again. However, to blame execution on coaches is wrong. I have never seen a coach, good or bad, execute a game plan. Have you? I believe the talent and coaching is in place this year but the PLAYERS have to execute in the game. Did our players step up and execute the game plan? We don't know here because we don't know what the true plan was. The players know and I hope they come out this year w/ a chip on their shoulder and with something to prove. Bottom line, I believe the team was put in a good position last season and failed. It happens. The oly difference is it's not supposed to happen at UT.
 
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(JasonCajun @ Mar 5 said:
I still don't think it is very standup to shift blame
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I've seen this from several people, but I'm just not seeing that. I watched him on FSN last night where he was interviewed in depth for probably 15 minutes and he was very matter of fact about the mistakes that he made last year. Although, it was easy to see that he was uncomfortable and almost pained as he talked about it . . . which I would fully expect.
 
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(oklavol @ Mar 4 said:
Thats a side of Fulmer you dont hear about very often. Great story.
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thats because the press usually doesnt get a hold of stuff like that and even if they did they wouldnt write about it because people only like to read negative things about people in the spotlight because negative news sales a lot better than positive news, only a few people on here (if that many) can make a very small assumption about the man's character because NONE of us know him very well, it always gets under my skin really bad when people talk about ANY coach's character like some have done in this thread because those people really have NO CLUE AT ALL outside of the newspapers and tv
 
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Did our players step up and execute the game plan? We don't know here because we don't know what the true plan was.
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im pretty sure the game plan wasnt to go 5 and 6 and miss a bowl
 
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(IBleedOrange @ Mar 5 said:
thats because the press usually doesnt get a hold of stuff like that and even if they did they wouldnt write about it because people only like to read negative things about people in the spotlight because negative news sales a lot better than positive news, only a few people on here (if that many) can make a very small assumption about the man's character because NONE of us know him very well, it always gets under my skin really bad when people talk about ANY coach's character like some have done in this thread because those people really have NO CLUE AT ALL outside of the newspapers and tv
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I've had the misfortune of dealing with, or having to listen to, Fulmer at more Caravan and VASF meetings than I care to count. So I don't have to rely on newspapers to form an opinion of the man. While I commend him for taking the time to talk to PJs mother, by the way, glad to hear she's doing better, I still think he's a sanctimonious jerk. I've dealt with him enough, I'm entitled to that opinion. I disdained him when we were winning, so this past season's record doesn't matter to me on the issue of my personal feelings toward the head coach.
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 5 said:
Or maybe he just didn't like you.
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I would hope he doesn't. There's nothing more frustrating than wasting good, old fashioned venom on someone who doesn't reciprocate the feeling.
 
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(utvolpj @ Mar 5 said:
I have seen quite a few fat/Krispy Kreme jokes on this board from UT fans (used loosely). Leave that to the classless bammers.

Results are not personal and I agree some shots need to be taken every now and again. However, to blame execution on coaches is wrong. I have never seen a coach, good or bad, execute a game plan. Have you? I believe the talent and coaching is in place this year but the PLAYERS have to execute in the game. Did our players step up and execute the game plan? We don't know here because we don't know what the true plan was. The players know and I hope they come out this year w/ a chip on their shoulder and with something to prove. Bottom line, I believe the team was put in a good position last season and failed. It happens. The oly difference is it's not supposed to happen at UT.
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"Put in a good position?" I guess musical chairs at QB and getting delay of game penalties coming out of timeouts and alternating sending 10 or 12 guys out for special teams is really positioning your team for optimium success.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 5 said:
"Put in a good position?" I guess musical chairs at QB and getting delay of game penalties coming out of timeouts and alternating sending 10 or 12 guys out for special teams is really positioning your team for optimium success.
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The triumphant return of Mr. Negative.
 
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(rockytopscott @ Mar 5 said:
The triumphant return of Mr. Negative.
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Please point out anything that is inaccurate in that post. I would hate for the facts to get in the way of everyone's Brokeback feelings for Phil. You guys just can't quit him.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 5 said:
Please point out anything that is inaccurate in that post. I would hate for the facts to get in the way of everyone's Brokeback feelings for Phil. You guys just can't quit him.
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Jeepers guys, we're five months before start of football season and the acrimony is already spilling over. Can't we just get along!! :angel:
 
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(rockydoc @ Mar 5 said:
Jeepers guys, we're five months before start of football season and the acrimony is already spilling over. Can't we just get along!! :angel:
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It's ok, I like all vol fans. I have many friends just like hatevol96. They talk negatively about UT constantly no matter how good or bad we are doing.
 
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(rockytopscott @ Mar 5 said:
It's ok, I like all vol fans. I have many friends just like hatevol96. They talk negatively about UT constantly no matter how good or bad we are doing.
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Can't remember a single negative comment I've ever made about Pearl or Delmonico.
 
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"Put in a good position?" I guess musical chairs at QB and getting delay of game penalties coming out of timeouts and alternating sending 10 or 12 guys out for special teams is really positioning your team for optimium success.

(hatvol96 @ Mar 5 said:
Please point out anything that is inaccurate in that post. I would hate for the facts to get in the way of everyone's Brokeback feelings for Phil. You guys just can't quit him.
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While I don't particularly like hat's seemingly constant pessimism towards our football team, I have to agree with him on this one. But at the same time I feel that last season falls on coaches AND players alike. It was just an all around breakdown with offense and special teams last year.
 
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(rockytopscott @ Mar 6 said:
Ok, hatevols96, we get it, you hate Fulmer.
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That post had nothing to do with Fulmer. I was discussing my lack of negative comments about Pearl and Delmonico.
 
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(patrick @ Mar 3 said:
The letter that Fulmer sent out was for PR only!!!!! Trying to keep the donations up.

I am not going to bash Fulmer because I do think that he should have the chance to turn the program around. And to me 7 and 5 is not a turn around.

That being said I do not believe whatsoever that the infamous letter was heart felt!!!!!!

The proof will be in the pudding.
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I didn't completely buy it, either. It's hard to judge solely on something written versus hearing him say it, though.

Hopefully, he's workin' like heck to get better this year. ;)
 
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