Have none of yall ever negotiated a pay raise?

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Accepted is a weird way of stating that. They weren’t given a ton of options.

Players should be allowed to freely negotiate. The only thing that needs to change is we need enforceable contracts. When you agree to an NIL deal it needs to be at least for 1 full season. Players should still be free to sit out (obviously forfeiting x amount due to that), but what they shouldn’t be free to do is agree in December to play somewhere, then leave and agree to play somewhere else in January, and then leave and agree to play at a third school in May like a certain SDE who played here

The full season ends

That’s BS and you know it. People are not paid on potential. I own a business as well. I damn sure pay on production, not potential. Everyone has “potential”. Many choose to do 0 with it. If you’re hiring on “potential” I’d bet your turnover % is something ridiculous. This is the NFL JR now. No one in the NFL is paid on potential. You don’t think blowing millions is bad? I’d live to see that PL on your business. We’re all already crying that UT doesn’t spend enough on NIL moves but we’re okay with throwing 8 mil in the can every once in a while? Let’s call it what it is. It’s pay to play now. And I’m good with it. But it damn sure oughta be tied to what you do for us now, and not what you did playing against 16 year olds 2 years ago.

Wrong. Elite athletes get big signing bonuses all the time. Classic examples are the huge signing bonuses and guaranteed contracts that Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence got before they played a down for their current teams.

 

[Vol8188]

Carried away is no binding contracts.

Eventually the NCAA has to allow binding pay for play contracts otherwise the sport will wither away.

That part I will agree to. I think players should be allowed to leave/quit, etc at any time. But I also think there should be heavy penalties involved. Up to and including sitting out a full season

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Carried away is no binding contracts.

Eventually the NCAA has to allow binding pay for play contracts otherwise the sport will wither away.

That wouldn't affect NIL at all. It's also likely illegal unless the NCAA gets a federal antitrust exemption.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Carried away is no binding contracts.

Eventually the NCAA has to allow binding pay for play contracts otherwise the sport will wither away.

With that comes trades. Who are we trading Nico to and what do we get for him?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Nope. If you tell a player he needs to leave, then we are done with him. We dont ask him back regardless. If you can't get someone better, you could get someone just as good or leave the spot open for the next opportunity.

I can respect that as long as it's the same for both.

For a long time in college because of the "sit out if you transfer rule," players got recruited over and lost their starting job but couldn't go anywhere to play without losing a year.

It needs to be fair.

If the school gives up on you, you can go freely to look elsewhere without owing them a "take back."

If you give up on the school and don't find a place, they don't owe you a "take back."

 

[Vol8188]

I can respect that as long as it's the same for both.

For a long time in college because of the "sit out if you transfer rule," players got recruited over and lost their starting job but couldn't go anywhere to play without losing a year.

It needs to be fair.

If the school gives up on you, you can go freely to look elsewhere without owing them a "take back."

If you give up on the school and don't find a place, they don't owe you a "take back."

Gives up or makes you second team? Those aren’t the same thing

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

That part I will agree to. I think players should be allowed to leave/quit, etc at any time. But I also think there should be heavy penalties involved. Up to and including sitting out a full season

So with a pay for play contract, if the school "fires" the player, should there be penalties for the school also?

You seem to want them if the player "fires" the school so shouldn't it be fair?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Gives up or makes you second team? Those aren’t the same thing

Well, if you make me second team and cut my NIL because I'm no longer first team, I should be able to market myself elsewhere to try to get my NIL money back.

It's business. If you demote me and cut my wages, don't then tell me I can't leave the company freely.

 

[Vol8188]

So with a pay for play contract, if the school "fires" the player, should there be penalties for the school also?

You seem to want them if the player "fires" the school so shouldn't it be fair?

You need to define your terms. Does “fire” mean demoted to second team? Does it mean “kicks player off the team”?

You shouldn’t be compensated for losing your starting position.

But if the school just needs a roster spot, they should have to pay you the rest of your contract unless you’re in breach of that contract (violation of team rules)

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You need to define your terms. Does “fire” mean demoted to second team? Does it mean “kicks player off the team”?

You shouldn’t be compensated for losing your starting position.

But if the school just needs a roster spot, they should have to pay you the rest of your contract unless you’re in breach of that contract (violation of team rules)

That's basically what it comes down to is having a contract you are owed like the NFL or NBA or MLB.

The problem with all that is that you're simply another pro league as soon as you start the contract system. Pro athletes signing pro contracts to play pro ball.

A lot of the "student athlete" flies out the window with contracts BUT none of this is sustainable without contracts.

As it stands, players who have their NIL cut for poor performance or being demoted should have some recourse.

 

[Vol8188]

That's basically what it comes down to is having a contract you are owed like the NFL or NBA or MLB.

The problem with all that is that you're simply another pro league as soon as you start the contract system. Pro athletes signing pro contracts to play pro ball.

A lot of the "student athlete" flies out the window with contracts BUT none of this is sustainable without contracts.

As it stands, players who have their NIL cut for poor performance or being demoted should have some recourse.

That’s fine. You can have contracts without a draft, salary cap, or trades. I’ve signed plenty of contracts in my day. I’ve never been traded, I’ve never been drafted? And my employer has never had any cap on what they were legally allowed to pay me

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

That’s fine. You can have contracts without a draft, salary cap, or trades. I’ve signed plenty of contracts in my day. I’ve never been traded, I’ve never been drafted? And my employer has never had any cap on what they were legally allowed to pay me

Of course, but I think every pro sports league has those things. Perhaps you can design one without them but I assume the model is in place in almost every league because it works best.

 

[volfeeva]

Don't we see coaches do this all the time? They keep practicing, recruiting, working then that afternoon have a team meeting that they're leaving.

Is it sickening then?

Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. When coaches bail, we give players an " out" for leaving just like the coach did that recruited them. Apples to oranges

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. When coaches bail, we give players an " out" for leaving just like the coach did that recruited them. Apples to oranges

What we need is to make coaches who bail sit out a year before coaching in college again AND put a salary cap on them.

Fair is fair.

 

[Vol8188]

What we need is to make coaches who bail sit out a year before coaching in college again AND put a salary cap on them.

Fair is fair.

Dumb.

 

[Majors]

Cannot be justified. Don’t try.

Tell the players that. Tell the journalist writing about it. It worked because as it sped up the process and brought the attention to the universities profiting like they are owners.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Dumb.

Likely illegal. As the NCAA STILL doesn't have an Antitrust Exemption.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

The struggle is real.

Probably the worst anyone has ever experienced.

 

[Golfprovol]

I can respect that as long as it's the same for both.

For a long time in college because of the "sit out if you transfer rule," players got recruited over and lost their starting job but couldn't go anywhere to play without losing a year.

It needs to be fair.

If the school gives up on you, you can go freely to look elsewhere without owing them a "take back."

If you give up on the school and don't find a place, they don't owe you a "take back."

Exactly. The leaving for money is the bad part. Leaving for playing time it totally understandable. Gaston Moore is a perfect example. He will not get to play here next year, he needs to go somewhere where he can play.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Exactly. The leaving for money is the bad part. Leaving for playing time it totally understandable. Gaston Moore is a perfect example. He will not get to play here next year, he needs to go somewhere where he can play.

I wonder if Gaston is going closer to home. I don't know if he's from FL or elsewhere, but maybe he does want to play where family can come and actually see him play. Maybe, too, he's looking for somewhere he can step into a GA after he's done and start a career after that to work his way up.

I hope so. I'll follow him next year no matter where he goes.

 

[AdoptedVOL]

Tell the players that. Tell the journalist writing about it. It worked because as it sped up the process and brought the attention to the universities profiting like they are owners.

Don’t be complicit with the stupidity of others. Stand for truth. You obviously don’t have a clue what slavery was/is about.

We can debate if players receiving education, housing, meals, healthcare, training, playing the sport they love, freedom to choose a school, transportation, brotherhood, advantages of jobs after graduation, adoration from fans are being treated unfairly but it is not slavery.

I will not stand silently as the history of persons who were held in bondage, whipped, families separated, sold, little or no freedom of movement, no pay for value rendered is cheapened by comparing todays athletes to the plight of slavery.

My last word. I can’t be more clear and I’ll not debate.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

The full season ends

Wrong. Elite athletes get big signing bonuses all the time. Classic examples are the huge signing bonuses and guaranteed contracts that Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence got before they played a down for their current teams.

Another person comparing college greats to HS greats. Apples and oranges. Big difference in proving yourself on the biggest college stages and proving yourself in high school against a bunch of inferior 16 year olds that will never play another down after high school.

 

[hog88]

That wouldn't affect NIL at all. It's also likely illegal unless the NCAA gets a federal antitrust exemption.

I’m talking about allowing the collectives to sign athletes to contracts, not the schools. The NCAA should allow collective A to sign athletes to contracts binding them to the school the collective supports. NIL deals outside of a collective could or could not include clauses binding the athlete to a specific school.

 

[Majors]

Don’t be complicit with the stupidity of others. Stand for truth. You obviously don’t have a clue what slavery was/is about.

We can debate if players receiving education, housing, meals, healthcare, training, playing the sport they love, freedom to choose a school, transportation, brotherhood, advantages of jobs after graduation, adoration from fans are being treated unfairly but it is not slavery.

I will not stand silently as the history of persons who were held in bondage, whipped, families separated, sold, little or no freedom of movement, no pay for value rendered is cheapened by comparing todays athletes to the plight of slavery.

My last word. I can’t be more clear and I’ll not debate.

Which article did I write? Which player did I agree with saying it? There’s no debate, the articles are written and the players felt it and said it. Before you attempt to lecture someone you may want to brush up on the topic…if you want to be clear.

Here’s another article that helped stoke the conversation. May want to take it up with those saying “NCAA is modern day slavery”

NCAA Leans on Slavery Loophole as Attorney Fights for Athlete Minimum Wage

If a work study college student is paid to work at a game, shouldn't an athlete classmate in the game be paid, too? Paul McDonald says yes.

www.sportico.com

2018…ouch

 

[Rushin Orange Collusion]

But they aren’t employees

At the rate college football is going, very few schools will be able to field a competitive team, let alone pay and retain players. What’s going to be the next shoe to drop: players banding together to sit-out games unless their demands are met?

I am very concerned for the future of college athletics and I have zero confidence in Charlie Baker and conference commissioners to identify and solve the problems.