Have none of yall ever negotiated a pay raise?

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Amd c

CONTRACTS. This isn't fair to the team nor the coaches trying to build the team. CFB is dead in 3-5 years if contracts aren't a thing. Coaches can't even recruit to fill positions of need, because they never know who is next to leave. College football will lose quality coaches to the NFL as well... it's why you'll see more of these flashy former players becoming head coaches because no one else wants to deal with this garbage.

Coaches leaving or flirting with leaving is?

 

[allstar34bd]

Coaches leaving or flirting with leaving is?

Is your daughter a college football player or something? You are the ultimate SJW! I'll send your certificate and medal so you can represent. Let's destroy something that can be fixed instead of preserving the game.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Is your daughter a college football player or something? You are the ultimate SJW! I'll send your certificate and medal so you can represent. Let's destroy something that can be fixed instead of preserving the game.

There are a lot of people employed full-time by the schools and NCAA who have a very big interest in fixing this but no working solutions have surfaced.

Schools, like UT, have sued the NCAA to keep NIL unregulated.

States, like TN, have sued the NCAA to make transfers unrestrained.

The NCAA has fought and lost almost every attempt to keep NIL from happening, to regulate it, to keep transfers from becoming easy, etc.

I'm unsure that schools want this "fixed" as they seem to be at the front of unrestricted transfers and unrestricted NIL rules.

 

[Vol8188]

Tell me the % of athletes in div 1 football that make it to the league? Very small. These are proven athletes. Much more so than at the high school level. These players are drafted out of conferences where they have been playing big boy ball. Are there still flops? Sure there are. But much less so than coming from HS. Rookies are much more proven than a 17 year old kid coming from from a HS where they beat up on 16 year olds that will never play a snap again. Trying to compare paying a rookie and paying a kid out of high school is a much different situation and you know it.

I would say multiple schools are blowing millions. I definitely don’t feel as if we got a return on millions in NIL this year. Yes you’ll pull the “we were 10-2” card. Truthfully we struggled against any team of any decency. We were embarrassed last weekend. I just think it’s silly we’re handing out millions to kids who have never taken a college snap. I’m all for paying the kids. I just think it could be done much differently. We’re essentially paying contracts. We don’t want to call it that but it is what it is. So let’s make those contracts contingent on play.

This is one of our best seasons in the last twenty years. Lol but we didn’t get our money worth? You’re speaking of our your @$$ again like you did about pay in people on potential

Contracts will always have x guaranteed. If we don guarantee x, someone else will.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Is your daughter a college football player or something? You are the ultimate SJW! I'll send your certificate and medal so you can represent. Let's destroy something that can be fixed instead of preserving the game.

Dont know what an SJW is and no my daughter was a cheerleader.

But no one has to question whetherbor not you're a d..k.

 

[volmandu]

Ahh yes. Nico had definitely proven he was worth 8 mil before he ever even took a snap at Neyland. That’s called paying for a product you didn’t test. I wouldn’t do it and neither would you. The problem isn’t the pay, once again it’s the structure that needs work. Imagine telling someone to “stop whining” on a message board comprised of 99% “whining”. How do very righteous of you. Oh and yes that eliteness very much showed through last Saturday don’t you think? I donate to the NIL cause. Do you? It’s kind of like voting. I’m doing my part so I can “whine” if I’d like.

Relax East TN man, relax. Nico was #2 QB recruit and was paid his market value. Thats how supply and demand works .. its not like others were giving him $50k and we showed up with $8 million lol ..
Regarding your ‘untested’ comment, thats how NFL works .. draft and give contract to College players .. (same way college works with high school re recruiting) .. so take Econ 101 and get some common sense !
I was not telling to ‘stop whining’ altogether but rather stop whining about Capitalism one place it goes against you. You’d presumably like all players getting same money, treated equally irrespective of their performance and position? Thats socialism buddy .. remember the you presumably despise lol

 

[pimo1]

So much for negotiating your own pay raise.

Don’t get me wrong, if it were my 18 yr old kid, he’d have the best representation available.

Let’s face it, there is a very thin gray line between NFL and college when it comes to compensation.

In some ways NFL is more constrained than college. College kids are moving around like popcorn.

These are not kids from rich families.... its a bunch of ambulance chasers scooping up kids and promising them the world. Its a field that literally didn't exist a few years ago so its the wild wild west.

 

[pimo1]

Free agency refers to a worker not under contract in both the business and the sports realm. A “free market” is a fundamental attribute of free market capitalism, but there is nothing about free agency that “IS capitalism in its pure form.” A free market has reliable information and open access. An independent worker has the freedom to choose to be a contract worker or a free agent or part of a collective bargaining agreement. Free agency is just one of a myriad of choices available in free market capitalism.

Free agency carries different strict definitions depending on the field its applied to. NFL or NBA or NHL free agents are not the same they have different rules. The only reason we associate contracts with them is because those are the most common usages. The contracts are just the structure. The idea of free agency is the idea that you have the right to look outside your employer for future employment. Before the concept of free agency teams owned your rights after your contract expired. Unless they released you you couldn't do anything. This was because of the reserve clause that was in the contracts of all professional sports at the time.

So before free agency once you signed with a team they retained your rights even after your contract was up... period. So it was not about players under contract being able to negotiate it was because even after the contract was over it was never really over. So, though there was demand, the supply was artificially restricted. Free agency removed that restriction thus allowing capitalism to go forth. So yes free agency is capitalism in its purest form. To be more concise unrestricted free agency because there are different levels.

In college football NIL/Portal is pure free agency. In other sports its not so simple because there is restricted free agency depending on certain situations waivers must be cleared and so on. It is not true free agency (NBA/NFL etc). Same thing in the corporate world.. I might no longer be under contract but 90% of the time I have a no compete clause somewhere. The VP at your Bank does not have true free agency he cant leave Wells Fargo and go straight over to Bank of America the next day.. but the cashier at the Shell Station does he can leave his register and take a job at the BP anytime he wants to. Thats where college athletes are. It sucks for now until things normalize and all the excitement dies down. 5 years from now things will self-correct. Rules and policies will be put in place. The fallout from all this jumping ship every year will be more well known. Trust me for every happy ending that comes from a transfer there are 10 nightmares. Once those stories become more widespread it will slow down.

 

[volfeeva]

CONTRACTS. This isn't fair to the team nor the coaches trying to build the team. CFB is dead in 3-5 years if contracts aren't a thing. Coaches can't even recruit to fill positions of need, because they never know who is next to leave. College football will lose quality coaches to the NFL as well... it's why you'll see more of these flashy former players becoming head coaches because no one else wants to deal with this garbage.

CONTRACTS. This isn't fair to the team nor the coaches trying to build the team. CFB is dead in 3-5 years if contracts aren't a thing. Coaches can't even recruit to fill positions of need, because they never know who is next to leave. College football will lose quality coaches to the NFL as well... it's why you'll see more of these flashy former players becoming head coaches because no one else wants to deal with this garbage.

Totally agree. I don't see how a player can practice and play beside his team mates all year and then just bail . It's sickening and sadly many of us predicted this. At some points I see a coach on the sidelines with a stack of $100 bills giving players one when they make a catch, or tackle.

 

[C-south]

I’m not seeing the problem. People are paid on potential. When I’ve hired people I paid them based on what I thought their potential production would be. I fired them if they didn’t met it.

Why’s that bad? I’m failing to see your perceived problem

That’s the opposite of how I’ve ever seen it work. People are paid based on experience and a track record. People get their foot in the door based on potential. If they succeed they move up.

 

[Vol8188]

That’s the opposite of how I’ve ever seen it work. People are paid based on experience and a track record. People get their foot in the door based on potential. If they succeed they move up.

Anytime you hire it’s based on potential. People with experience have a potential return for you when hiring them. Sometimes that potential is achieved, other times it’s not

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

Apparently, the "lesson" is for these old folks who've only ever had a 'job'. They've been payed by weekly or monthly paycheck their whole lives and have no idea how the real world operates. An eye-opener for their asses.

You've got my attention, Ned. How does the real world operate?

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Apparently, the "lesson" is for these old folks who've only ever had a 'job'. They've been payed by weekly or monthly paycheck their whole lives and have no idea how the real world operates. An eye-opener for their asses.

Funny for you to compare the 2 when they are light years apart from your 50K 9-5. “Changing jobs” when you have a resume and work history is much different than offering some 17 year old kid 2 mil a year when all you’ve ever seen them do is beat up on 16 year old kids in HS ball. See Harrison Bailey. How’d that work out for us?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Totally agree. I don't see how a player can practice and play beside his team mates all year and then just bail . It's sickening and sadly many of us predicted this. At some points I see a coach on the sidelines with a stack of $100 bills giving players one when they make a catch, or tackle.

Don't we see coaches do this all the time? They keep practicing, recruiting, working then that afternoon have a team meeting that they're leaving.

Is it sickening then?

 

[Majors]

Whites stats, his Freshman year was more productive then his JR year of 34/381.

30	481	16.0	2	64
67	803	12.0	2	83
34	381	11.2	2	45
131	1,665	12.7	6	83

Bottom line of 131/1665 is his career stats in 3 years. Tell me how Squirrel White approaches anyone about market value or how he is bringing money to Tennessee with a straight face.

 

[C-south]

Anytime you hire it’s based on potential. People with experience have a potential return for you when hiring them. Sometimes that potential is achieved, other times it’s not

That’s why people receive entry level pay when they don’t have experience and then get canned if they don’t perform regardless.

 

[Vol8188]

That’s why people receive entry level pay when they don’t have experience and then get canned if they don’t perform regardless.

Even experienced people you’re hiring on the potential they can bring to the business. Even with experienced people it’s not always achieved. Plenty of failed

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Relax East TN man, relax. Nico was #2 QB recruit and was paid his market value. Thats how supply and demand works .. its not like others were giving him $50k and we showed up with $8 million lol ..
Regarding your ‘untested’ comment, thats how NFL works .. draft and give contract to College players .. (same way college works with high school re recruiting) .. so take Econ 101 and get some common sense !
I was not telling to ‘stop whining’ altogether but rather stop whining about Capitalism one place it goes against you. You’d presumably like all players getting same money, treated equally irrespective of their performance and position? Thats socialism buddy .. remember the you presumably despise lol

Not even in the same stratosphere. Comparing NFL rookies who have proven themselves on the biggest college stages to 17 year old kids playing against mostly kids who will never take another snap after HS is apples and oranges. There will be flops on both sides, but many more on the side of untested 17 year olds. When is the last time you paid big for a product that had 0 experience or reviews in the field you hoped to place said product? If you have you’re an idiot. That’s exactly what the entirety of CFB is doing right now. I’m all for the paying players, but it should be achievement based. These kids are millionaires before they ever take a snap. And on Econ and common sense, I own and run my business. I can tell by the way you speak and you’re falling back to personal attacks on a silly forum that you’re about to be preparing another W-2. Turbo tax it is?

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

Nope

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Free agency carries different strict definitions depending on the field its applied to. NFL or NBA or NHL free agents are not the same they have different rules. The only reason we associate contracts with them is because those are the most common usages. The contracts are just the structure. The idea of free agency is the idea that you have the right to look outside your employer for future employment. Before the concept of free agency teams owned your rights after your contract expired. Unless they released you you couldn't do anything. This was because of the reserve clause that was in the contracts of all professional sports at the time.

So before free agency once you signed with a team they retained your rights even after your contract was up... period. So it was not about players under contract being able to negotiate it was because even after the contract was over it was never really over. So, though there was demand, the supply was artificially restricted. Free agency removed that restriction thus allowing capitalism to go forth. So yes free agency is capitalism in its purest form. To be more concise unrestricted free agency because there are different levels.

In college football NIL/Portal is pure free agency. In other sports its not so simple because there is restricted free agency depending on certain situations waivers must be cleared and so on. It is not true free agency (NBA/NFL etc). Same thing in the corporate world.. I might no longer be under contract but 90% of the time I have a no compete clause somewhere. The VP at your Bank does not have true free agency he cant leave Wells Fargo and go straight over to Bank of America the next day.. but the cashier at the Shell Station does he can leave his register and take a job at the BP anytime he wants to. Thats where college athletes are. It sucks for now until things normalize and all the excitement dies down. 5 years from now things will self-correct. Rules and policies will be put in place. The fallout from all this jumping ship every year will be more well known. Trust me for every happy ending that comes from a transfer there are 10 nightmares. Once those stories become more widespread it will slow down.

Keeping you on speed dial in case I need a filibuster.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

You get a pay raise by showing your value and then getting market comps to justify your worth.

Some of yall need to realize Portal players can come back.

I don’t blame any kids getting a raise or renegotiating.

A great early lesson in how pure capitalism works

Not while getting a free education in college and working a part-time job. Changes are coming to the whole NIL and portal madness. The Frankensteins who created this monster are right now witnessing the destruction and havoc it creates. They will try to correct it before next season. And, frankly, they will probably make it worse, as they usually do.

Creating a system of incentives that rewards a teenager’s most selfish and base instincts—sure, that’s the way to do it.

 

[volmandu]

Not even in the same stratosphere. Comparing NFL rookies who have proven themselves on the biggest college stages to 17 year old kids playing against mostly kids who will never take another snap after HS is apples and oranges. There will be flops on both sides, but many more on the side of untested 17 year olds. When is the last time you paid big for a product that had 0 experience or reviews in the field you hoped to place said product? If you have you’re an idiot. That’s exactly what the entirety of CFB is doing right now. I’m all for the paying players, but it should be achievement based. These kids are millionaires before they ever take a snap. And on Econ and common sense, I own and run my business. I can tell by the way you speak and you’re falling back to personal attacks on a silly forum that you’re about to be preparing another W-2. Turbo tax it is?

You run a business? I feel bad for folks that work you. . Everyone, all college coaches , all ADs , all NIL are idiots except Mr. East TN Elon Musk

 

[pimo1]

Not even in the same stratosphere. Comparing NFL rookies who have proven themselves on the biggest college stages to 17 year old kids playing against mostly kids who will never take another snap after HS is apples and oranges. There will be flops on both sides, but many more on the side of untested 17 year olds. When is the last time you paid big for a product that had 0 experience or reviews in the field you hoped to place said product? If you have you’re an idiot. That’s exactly what the entirety of CFB is doing right now. I’m all for the paying players, but it should be achievement based. These kids are millionaires before they ever take a snap. And on Econ and common sense, I own and run my business. I can tell by the way you speak and you’re falling back to personal attacks on a silly forum that you’re about to be preparing another W-2. Turbo tax it is?

Thats actually where the problem comes in...to go performance based they almost gotta be employees.. without that we are gonna be stuck in the participation/popularity award zone. I think they should have a rookie salary cap...as a freshman you can only get up to a certain amount amount period no matter what.. and you renegotiate after your first year.

 

[loosecannon]

This is not a sustainable system. Just make them employees already. This pseudo system is just a mess.

Seriously. Everyone who wants players to get paid but not treated like employees looks like a fool right now. I was against NIL from the get go and still am. Pageantry is gone. Loyalty to representing a university and a fanbase is mostly gone. Can’t buy a guy’s jersey cuz he might be gone in 12 months. It’s pathetic.

You want NIL? Ok fine. Then I say pay your own way. Make it so that you can’t have both. Scholly? Or NIL? You choose. Maybe would make some of these guys think twice. Also wait til some of these young men see how much Uncle Sam takes from their multimillion dollar NIL deals.

I think an option of scholarships or NIL

 

[livefaith]

You get a pay raise by showing your value and then getting market comps to justify your worth.

Some of yall need to realize Portal players can come back.

I don’t blame any kids getting a raise or renegotiating.

A great early lesson in how pure capitalism works

Too many are scared of success, therefore settling more like "slaves" is the preferred option.