Having Sufficiently Gloated, Some Serious Thoughts.

#77
#77
BigPapaVol said:
He asked who is reveling? The current crop of Chicken Littles are all the guys going all Solomon and rending their garbs over the coach that put us in this mess. Most who are advocating change seem to appreciate that Coach Pearl put is in a spot to be successful moving forward.
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There is one obvious reveler. He's probably had to change pants 10 times since yesterday. It just seems to me that he'd rather be right, than us keep our most successful coach of all time and continue to move forward.

I'm not saying firing him is the wrong thing to do, but I'm certainly not enjoying it. It creates questions of the continuing quality of basketball. I get that he's certain we can hire a successful coach, but he's not exactly batting 1.000 on his opinions of coaches.

It seems to me that he'd rather kick someone when they are down than celebrate when they are winning. It's just odd.
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#78
#78
hog88 said:
I do like CBP and still do, he has done a great job for UT and after years and years of BB just being a side note he brought it back. What he did (lie and trying to cover up) is grounds for termination not just in coaching but anywhere. That being said I hate to see him go and wish hime the best and would not have been upset with him staying.

What MH's comments mean to me is he is 100% trying to distance himself and save his own a#*. Whatever he has in store for Pearl he should have kept his mouth shut until after the season is over!
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Many people are falsely assuming that the timing of this interview, and its content, was left to MH's discretion, alone.
 
#79
#79
hatvol96 said:
1. Bruce Pearl's tenure at UT will be a net gain for the Tennessee Basketball brand. That's why he should get a check on his way out the door.
2. While I admit I enjoy seeing Pearl publicly eviscerated, Hamilton could have handled this better. The players deserved to play the season out without further distractions.
3. People who think Tennessee can't hire someone capable of sustaining Pearl's success and building on it are out of touch with reality. Find me a program with Tennessee's facilities and a 2.5 mil per coach that isn't winning.
4. UT has done a good job working the back channels already in the search for Pearl's replacement. This process is much further down the road than it appears outwardly.
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Agree on one, agree on two (except for enjoying it), agree on three, am encouraged by four.
 
#81
#81
HendersonVol said:
There is one obvious reveler. He's probably had to change pants 10 times since yesterday. It just seems to me that he'd rather be right, than us keep our most successful coach of all time and continue to move forward.

I'm not saying firing him is the wrong thing to do, but I'm certainly not enjoying it. It creates questions of the continuing quality of basketball. I get that he's certain we can hire a successful coach, but he's not exactly batting 1.000 on his opinions of coaches.

It seems to me that he'd rather kick someone when they are down than celebrate when they are winning. It's just odd.
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I enjoy seeing bad things happen to bad people. Pearl's a bad guy. Period. I'd have the same reaction if this was happening to Pearl and he was the coach at Oregon.
 
#82
#82
hatvol96 said:
I enjoy seeing bad things happen to bad people. Pearl's a bad guy. Period. I'd have the same reaction if this was happening to Pearl and he was the coach at Oregon.
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Thats my point. He isnt. He is the coach at UT.

You are welcome to your opinion that he is a bad person. I live in a more gray area than you. Good in all people, bad in all people.

Don't revel in the bad of other people, when you make mistakes and have undoubtedly treated people poorly no matter how hard you try to do otherwise. (you isn't you, I know nothing about hatvol)

I think it's highly self righteous to laugh at others problems and character flaws, no matter how bad they are. I know I will screw up at some point and hope people wouldn't point and laugh when I do.
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#85
#85
HendersonVol said:
Thats my point. He isnt. He is the coach at UT.

You are welcome to your opinion that he is a bad person. I live in a more gray area than you. Good in all people, bad in all people.

Don't revel in the bad of other people, when you make mistakes and have undoubtedly treated people poorly no matter how hard you try to do otherwise. (you isn't you, I know nothing about hatvol)

I think it's highly self righteous to laugh at others problems and character flaws, no matter how bad they are. I know I will screw up at some point and hope people wouldn't point and laugh when I do.
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so philandering is cool because everyone has flaws?
 
#86
#86
HendersonVol said:
There is one obvious reveler. He's probably had to change pants 10 times since yesterday. It just seems to me that he'd rather be right, than us keep our most successful coach of all time and continue to move forward.

I'm not saying firing him is the wrong thing to do, but I'm certainly not enjoying it. It creates questions of the continuing quality of basketball. I get that he's certain we can hire a successful coach, but he's not exactly batting 1.000 on his opinions of coaches.

It seems to me that he'd rather kick someone when they are down than celebrate when they are winning. It's just odd.
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I don't revel in it, at all. I appreciate all that Pearl did here, and believe that his legacy of accomplishments will continue to be seen far more admirably with his leaving, than if he stayed.

But, even this pales in comparison to my love for the University, itself - and in its mission to fully and properly educate and prepare its students to serve our state, our nation, and in fact, all of mankind. And this simply cannot be accomplished without the deep and constant instilling of those ideals which make this possible, namely; honesty, integrity, responsibility, duty, sacrifice, hard work and courage.

And without sacrificing an ounce of the credit due Pearl for his innumerous and significant contributions to our basketball program - the dichotomy between his actions and those ideals which we espouse and rightfully cherish ultimately proved too egregious, too glaring and too great to be overcome by any lesser means of correction.

And so, while I am not glad to see Pearl go - I cannot help but to be glad that he is, as it signifies that the University is unwilling to allow the slow undoing or bastardizing of those things which are of absolute importance, for anything of lesser or transitory significance - including both Pearl and the basketball program itself, and rightfully so.
 
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#87
#87
Tenacious D said:
Many people are falsely assuming that the timing of this interview, and its content, was left to MH's discretion, alone.
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Many people keep saying this. Who cares who's behind it? It doesn't make a hill of beans difference if Hamilton's speaking for himself or a group. Especially if he's going to turn around and tell Pearl he's sorry and that his remarks were misinterpreted less than 24 hours later, lmao!

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#88
#88
I like scoundrels, so I like Pearl. That said, he's proving to be a dumb scoundrel, and he has lost his principal asset (charisma) in this mess. If Pearl had been smart enough to actually straighten up and stop committing additional violations, I'd be for keeping him because it would piss everyone off. As it is, keeping him looks like a net loser; his mojo's gone, and he's too likely to sink the ship with additional violations.

Just please god, don't let us go get a square to replace him.
 
#90
#90
HendersonVol said:
Of course not. I never suggested so. I know and love people who have made similar mistakes.

There is a difference in disappointment and celebration.
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the amount of celebration appears very limited here.
 
#91
#91
Tenacious D said:
I don't revel in it, at all. I appreciate all that Pearl did here, and believe that his legacy of accomplishments will continue to be seen far more admirably with his leaving, than if he stayed.

But, even this pales in comparison to my love for the University, itself - and in its mission to fully and properly educate and prepare its students to serve our state, our nation, and in fact, all of mankind. And this simply cannot be accomplished without the deep and constant instilling of those ideals which make this possible, namely; honesty, integrity, responsibility, duty, sacrifice, hard work and courage.

And without sacrificing an ounce of the credit due Pearl for his innumerous and significant contributions to our basketball program - the dichotomy between his actions and those ideals which we espouse and rightfully cherish ultimately proved too egregious, too glaring and too great to be overcome by any lesser means of correction.

And so, while I am not glad to see Pearl go - I cannot help but to be glad that he is, as it signifies that the University is unwilling to allow the slow undoing or bastardizing of those things which are of absolute importance, for anything of lesser or transitory significance - including both Pearl and the basketball program itself, and rightfully so.
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This is incredibly naive, IMO.
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#93
#93
HendersonVol said:
This is incredibly naive, IMO.
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It's not naive in the least. We can generally agree that college coaching is a generally sleazy business, basketball moreso than the rest. Most places can handle the idea that people think of their coaches as unseemly, but rare is the university that can sit idly by while its coach makes those ideas indisputable. There is no debate about whether UT and UTAD would be turning a blind eye to a disingenuous staff willing to break the rules on their whim if they didn't make changes here.

None of that means we're about to hire a saint, but it does mean that the institution can't afford for the general perception to be absolutely and unequivocally true and widely known to be so.
 
#94
#94
HendersonVol said:
Not accusing you. But you know as well as I do that there was plenty of celebrating. The leader admitted so.
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the leader is the lone guy as far as I can tell and he has been very forthright, from very early on, about his reasoning.
 
#95
#95
joevol320 said:
those great facilty weren't able to get a high profile football coach. so why would it get us a good BB coach. we're back to buzz ball.

if they let BP go, i hope everyone transfers.
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The football hire is way different than the basketball hire. Look how close to signing day it was plus the depleted roster. That takes about three recruiting classes to get back on track.

Basketball isn't the same. We have plenty of time for them to recruit before next year and one class in basketball can have you competing that year. Plus we have the money and facilities to lure in a good coach.
 
#96
#96
hatvol96 said:
I enjoy seeing bad things happen to bad people. Pearl's a bad guy. Period. I'd have the same reaction if this was happening to Pearl and he was the coach at Oregon.
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I'd guess there would be far fewer threads started on it were he at Oregon. That's just a guess though.
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#100
#100
HendersonVol said:
Not accusing you. But you know as well as I do that there was plenty of celebrating. The leader admitted so.
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A few are celebrating but mostly I think you are just seeing nods of approval by people that understand that there's really no other option.
 
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