HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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JP_UT_O&W said:
GRRM didn't do them any favors by not finishing the books...He also only told major plot points and how it all ends, so they're coming up with this on their own. That's a bit much with the complexities and the total number of interwoven plotlines to this point.
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It's not his responsibility to do so either though. His writing is great because he is patient and thorough
 
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You know, there was a lot left unsettled in Episode 3, sure and even some predictable events. I don't think it was a letdown in any way. Sure, none of the seriously major players were killed off. A few supporting characters that played larger parts earlier in the series are gone now, but overall, the "big" pieces of the game are still in place. The writers know this, the directors know this and even the fans know this...

And this is exactly when the directors/producers toss a curve ball at us killing someone significant off. It's happened throughout the series. Everyone thought all the way back in Season 1, Ned Stark might just get a pardon and take the black. Nope, gone with the head. This about the events leading up to the Red Wedding. Everyone thought Rob Stark played that well and convinced/compromised very well with Walter Frey. Yeah, we know how that turned out. The betrayal of Jon Snow wasn't even on anyone's radar and whoops, he was gone...only to return later on.

Point being, the fans grumble and get into a false sense of security over the major characters. Or they accept the status quo over events leading up to said curve ball. Then, they get smacked hard in the face when someone comes up and sticks a knife into the belly of a major character.
 
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I really need Bran to have more importance to the plot than just being bait for the NK. The 3ER is apparently an immortal being, or at least capable of extremely long life. Is he just gonna chill in his wheelchair forever while his family dies of old age/sickness/whatever else will kill them, long after this current irrelevant battle for the Iron Throne is over?

He has to play a bigger role. I think him being touched by the Night King still has huge implications beyond just the NK being able to more easily find him.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know, there was a lot left unsettled in Episode 3, sure and even some predictable events. I don't think it was a letdown in any way. Sure, none of the seriously major players were killed off. A few supporting characters that played larger parts earlier in the series are gone now, but overall, the "big" pieces of the game are still in place. The writers know this, the directors know this and even the fans know this...

And this is exactly when the directors/producers toss a curve ball at us killing someone significant off. It's happened throughout the series. Everyone thought all the way back in Season 1, Ned Stark might just get a pardon and take the black. Nope, gone with the head. This about the events leading up to the Red Wedding. Everyone thought Rob Stark played that well and convinced/compromised very well with Walter Frey. Yeah, we know how that turned out. The betrayal of Jon Snow wasn't even on anyone's radar and whoops, he was gone...only to return later on.

Point being, the fans grumble and get into a false sense of security over the major characters. Or they accept the status quo over events leading up to said curve ball. Then, they get smacked hard in the face when someone comes up and sticks a knife into the belly of a major character.
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So...Tyrion dies by crossbow this week?
 
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JP_UT_O&W said:
That's fair. Maybe I'm disappointed at the lock of a shocker death more than a major character. Because Jorah/Theon/Brienne/Tormund are all major characters at this point. I expected Brienne or Tormund to die. Not yet Jaime as he has unresolved stuff with Cersei.

I don't think those 4 I mentioned are top 5-10 major, but they're certainly top 20-25 or so.
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That was my issue. It wasn't the lack of major characters, but the lack of characters who were shocking to lose. GoT used to not have a problem killing off main characters with serious unfinished business. Then during the most deadly battle to date the only main characters who died were the ones who already completed their story arc. The deaths were very predictable.
 
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JP_UT_O&W said:
So...Tyrion dies by crossbow this week?
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Something far more original, I'd bet.

Remember, we have Bronn out as a loose cannon at the moment. What happens when he misses a shot at Jaime and hits Brienne instead? Or Sansa standing next to Tyrion?

Just when you feel it's safe, that's when everything goes sideways
 
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Aesius said:
Right. Plus, are we supposed to believe that Arya can go ninja-invisible and sneak past hordes of wights and WWs in the open when she nearly got caught sneaking around somewhat clumsily in the library with like 10 wights skulking around and plenty of places to hide?

That's what I didn't like. I don't mind Arya delivering the deathblow because it was unexpected but also not completely unrealistic given her skills, but at least show something between her getting the pep talk from Melisandre and her appearing in mid-air flying towards the NK. Just leaving it up to the viewer to go "oh yeah, Arya studied in Braavos and is really sneaky now" isn't good enough IMO.
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They went for the surprise. We are to figure it in our mind. She's very stealthy. She could have put on a "death" mask and got there, I suppose.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know, there was a lot left unsettled in Episode 3, sure and even some predictable events. I don't think it was a letdown in any way. Sure, none of the seriously major players were killed off. A few supporting characters that played larger parts earlier in the series are gone now, but overall, the "big" pieces of the game are still in place. The writers know this, the directors know this and even the fans know this...

And this is exactly when the directors/producers toss a curve ball at us killing someone significant off. It's happened throughout the series. Everyone thought all the way back in Season 1, Ned Stark might just get a pardon and take the black. Nope, gone with the head. This about the events leading up to the Red Wedding. Everyone thought Rob Stark played that well and convinced/compromised very well with Walter Frey. Yeah, we know how that turned out. The betrayal of Jon Snow wasn't even on anyone's radar and whoops, he was gone...only to return later on.

Point being, the fans grumble and get into a false sense of security over the major characters. Or they accept the status quo over events leading up to said curve ball. Then, they get smacked hard in the face when someone comes up and sticks a knife into the belly of a major character.
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That's fair
 
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Grand Vol said:
Something far more original, I'd bet.

Remember, we have Bronn out as a loose cannon at the moment. What happens when he misses a shot at Jaime and hits Brienne instead? Or Sansa standing next to Tyrion?

Just when you feel it's safe, that's when everything goes sideways
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Nobody thinks Bronn would turn on Tyrion and Jaime. That would be an evil GOT thing to do.

Edit: Did Samwell's wife die? I rewatched and I don't think I saw her.
 
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Weezer said:
I think my biggest complaint about everything is the rush to finish the story when there is so much left to tell. They're leaving meat on the bone.
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You simply cannot do the books justice with television. Otherwise, we’d be looking at 5 more seasons.

There will be spin offs of this series. They’re going to milk it for all that it’s worth and I’m excited for it.
 
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LotteryPick said:
You simply cannot do the books justice with television. Otherwise, we’d be looking at 5 more seasons.

There will be spin offs of this series. They’re going to milk it for all that it’s worth and I’m excited for it.
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I’m glad there’s at least an end to this series. TWD has drug it out way past it’s expiration. I finally quit watching.
 
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Bran isn’t finished yet either, IMO. I think he knows the future. The question is, “Does he, and if so how, interfere?”
 
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Something I thought about today....how was the NK able to cross the wall? Isn't it the fault of Bran and possibly Danaerys that he was able to cross?

Had Bran just stayed south of the wall the NK couldn't have crossed? It was built with magic that prevented the dead from crossing. It's not just a book thing. Benjen Stark explained it in S6E10. I never looked into it online to avoid spoiler discussions, but the only reason the NK was able to cross the wall was because he had his mark on Bran Stark right? From when he grabbed his arm while Bran was "viewing". It's what allowed the NK and the dead to cross into the 3 eyed raven's underground tree house. Supposedly he can go where Bran goes now? That's what allowed him to overcome the magic built into the wall? So had Bran just stayed north of the wall after he was touched by the NK and taken his death, the NK was stuck north of the wall?

Even if there's more to it than that, and people say it was the dragon that allowed him.....had Danaerys not gone over, then again he was stuck.

Seems like if they didn't want the NK to cross in the tv show, then they should have just stayed south of the wall. In the books, it's said that the Horn of Joramun can take down the wall when it's blown, but the tv show doesn't have that.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Something I thought about today....how was the NK able to cross the wall? Isn't it the fault of Bran and possibly Danaerys that he was able to cross?

Had Bran just stayed south of the wall the NK couldn't have crossed? It was built with magic that prevented the dead from crossing. It's not just a book thing. Benjen Stark explained it in S6E10. I never looked into it online to avoid spoiler discussions, but the only reason the NK was able to cross the wall was because he had his mark on Bran Stark right? From when he grabbed his arm while Bran was "viewing". It's what allowed the NK and the dead to cross into the 3 eyed raven's underground tree house. Supposedly he can go where Bran goes now? That's what allowed him to overcome the magic built into the wall? So had Bran just stayed north of the wall after he was touched by the NK and taken his death, the NK was stuck north of the wall?

Even if there's more to it than that, and people say it was the dragon that allowed him.....had Danaerys not gone over, then again he was stuck.

Seems like if they didn't want the NK to cross in the tv show, then they should have just stayed south of the wall. In the books, it's said that the Horn of Joramun can take down the wall when it's blown, but the tv show doesn't have that.
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When he marked Bran he was able to cross The Wall whenever Bran crossed The Wall.
 
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Paper_Towel said:
When he marked Bran he was able to cross The Wall whenever Bran crossed The Wall.
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Exactly. Had Bran just stayed north of the wall then how would he have been able to cross?

I wonder if that's a plothole that got overlooked when GRRM went from being very involved in the show, to not very involved at all.
 
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C-south said:
I’m glad there’s at least an end to this series. TWD has drug it out way past it’s expiration. I finally quit watching.
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Does anyone even watch TWD anymore? Even the most die hard fans I know have quit watching
 
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