HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Exactly how I feel. The other side will not be satisfied with anything less than a resounding defeat of the "good guys"...that would be "shocking" enough for them.
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I think some people are in between you and me vs. the ones that want hot, screaming death for everyone. I think they want an ultimate "win" but not without some significant additional cost.
 
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drvenner said:
I think some people are in between you and me vs. the ones that want hot, screaming death for everyone. I think they want an ultimate "win" but not without some significant additional cost.
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I don't understand how people are blind to how much the "good guys" have already lost..it is already, as you said earlier "horrific"..Those people just want death and chaos to rule.
 
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Here is something passing over folks head..House Stark is done. Bran can not have children, Jon is not a Stark, Arya and Sansa's potential offspring will have their fathers name...not Stark.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
I said this to my wife after last episode. It makes sense and they haven't been sticking to realistic time frames for a while.
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HBO did similar with Boardwalk Empire, lay the groundwork of a great story with many angles then throw all the loose ends in a bucket to finish the storyline in a very unfulfilling way.

There really hasn't been much that's strayed from the "generic movie template" since probably Petyr Baelish getting killed. It's not been a bad show, but it feels pretty generic at this point.
 
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drvenner said:
I think some people are in between you and me vs. the ones that want hot, screaming death for everyone. I think they want an ultimate "win" but not without some significant additional cost.
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eh, the death of major characters is not as gloom and doom as some portray it here. the show set itself up for that kind of expectation with how it started. i was floored when they killed Ned Stark in season one. then the red wedding....etc, etc, etc...for the TV viewer, it gave you a real sense of not knowing what would happen, and with that, very excited to see what happens next. that's basically it. it's not that you want big deaths all the time....but when you have them it changes the dynamic of the show, and sets a new path. and for hte most part, that's been pretty dramatic and exciting for the viewer.

there have been a lot of big moments in this show, most have been pretty much on point with what drives the audience to watch.....

not too many other TV shows out there generating the kind of talk like this one has...so mission accomplished.
 
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drvenner said:
I understand this very well. My point was that some people want to see more deaths because, in their opinion, that makes it closer to real life. I read and go to movies to escape from my reality, sometimes. Not that mine is bad; it is just enjoyable to get away for awhile. Life still has many sad and difficult times. I feel like that the "good guys" have earned their good ending. Not that anyone truly "earns" anything of this nature. It simply means that will all the suffering that they have endured, I am hopeful it was not all for naught and they get some kind of good outcome in the end.
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Do you want to see Cersei die? The Mountain? Qyburn? Euron? If so, you want to see more death too. In order for those deaths to happen, a few more "good guys" may die as well. As long as the story is good and makes sense, I'm okay with it. If Jon and/or Dany die, it doesn't erase all that they've done. Is having Jon or Dany on the throne the only happy ending? What if Gendry ends up on the throne? I think the true happy ending is deposing Cersei and leaving Westoros with a better, more benevolent king or queen. I think some have gotten so caught up with the losses the good guys have faced that they fail to see the overall point that in order to do what's right, sometimes sacrifices are made. Not everyone makes it out alive, and no one makes it out the same.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Exactly how I feel. The other side will not be satisfied with anything less than a resounding defeat of the "good guys"...that would be "shocking" enough for them.
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You know, I enjoy your passion for the characters and show, but you’re beginning to get on my very last nerve. I haven’t seen any posts calling for a “resounding defeat of the ‘good guys’” and can’t-wait for the death and chaos, except for your claims. And this “other side” and “those people” bit. Can’t we leave name-calling and false attributions to politics and to the Football Forum?
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, the death of major characters is not as gloom and doom as some portray it here. the show set itself up for that kind of expectation with how it started. i was floored when they killed Ned Stark in season one. then the red wedding....etc, etc, etc...for the TV viewer, it gave you a real sense of not knowing what would happen, and with that, very excited to see what happens next. that's basically it. it's not that you want big deaths all the time....but when you have them it changes the dynamic of the show, and sets a new path. and for hte most part, that's been pretty dramatic and exciting for the viewer.

there have been a lot of big moments in this show, most have been pretty much on point with what drives the audience to watch.....

not too many other TV shows out there generating the kind of talk like this one has...so mission accomplished.
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I don't know anybody with a normal brain that wants Certs or Euron to end up winning. I resigned myself long ago that Jon or Dany, or both would probably/maybe die to serve the greater good. If it ends that way...no one wins. Even the smallfolk will have to ensure decades or centuries of continuing civil war in the vacuum of power. Jon or Dany one need to sit the throne to keep that from happening, or at least be there to lead the way out of this hell.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
HBO did similar with Boardwalk Empire, lay the groundwork of a great story with many angles then throw all the loose ends in a bucket to finish the storyline in a very unfulfilling way.

There really hasn't been much that's strayed from the "generic movie template" since probably Petyr Baelish getting killed. It's not been a bad show, but it feels pretty generic at this point.
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I never watched Boardwalk Empire but it couldn't have been any worse than the way they ended The Sopranos... Now, that is how you give your audience the middle finger.
 
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VolNExile said:
You know, I enjoy your passion for the characters and show, but you’re beginning to get on my very last nerve. I haven’t seen any posts calling for a “resounding defeat of the ‘good guys’” and can’t-wait for the death and chaos, except for your claims. And this “other side” and “those people” bit. Can’t we leave name-calling and false attributions to politics and to the Football Forum?
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Then I'm not talking about you am I? And you do realize this isn't the only place I talk about ASoIaF don't you? Trust me..the woods are full of people just like I described.
 
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Weezer said:
Do you want to see Cersei die? The Mountain? Qyburn? Euron? If so, you want to see more death too. In order for those deaths to happen, a few more "good guys" may die as well. As long as the story is good and makes sense, I'm okay with it. If Jon and/or Dany die, it doesn't erase all that they've done. Is having Jon or Dany on the throne the only happy ending? What if Gendry ends up on the throne? I think the true happy ending is deposing Cersei and leaving Westoros with a better, more benevolent king or queen. I think some have gotten so caught up with the losses the good guys have faced that they fail to see the overall point that in order to do what's right, sometimes sacrifices are made. Not everyone makes it out alive, and no one makes it out the same.
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I want a good ending. I do want Cersei to die and I am not saying I don't want anyone else to die. For example, if Jon dies but saves the realm from Cersei's tyranny, I am very good with that. I don't want people wiped out just for the shock effect. The Red Wedding is a key element to the story that also happens to be very shocking. I am hopeful that the ending will include some of my favorite characters still alive. If some bad guy gets to live, but the outcome is better for the people of Westeros, I am also good with that. I think it can be written so that it is realistic without it being over the top shock. Like you, I want an ending that makes sense, and, hopefully does not destroy Westeros.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I never watched Boardwalk Empire but it couldn't have been any worse than the way they ended The Sopranos... Now, that is how you give your audience the middle finger.
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I loved the ending for the Sopranos. It wasn't neat, it wasn't tidy and you had no idea how it turned out. "Don't Stop Believin' "

Perfect.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't know anybody with a normal brain that wants Certs or Euron to end up winning. I resigned myself long ago that Jon or Dany, or both would probably/maybe die to serve the greater good. If it ends that way...no one wins. Even the smallfolk will have to ensure decades or centuries of continuing civil war in the vacuum of power. Jon or Dany one need to sit the throne to keep that from happening, or at least be there to lead the way out of this hell.
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well it's a TV show, designed to entertain. so i'm not sure i'd call it rooting/wanting anyone to win per se.

are there better endings than others? sure. can any of the scenarios presented be entertaining as hell? yep.

i mean, empire strikes back had a terrible ending for the good guys, but was definitely one of the best sw movies made.....the Departed....ended TERRIBLY for our hero undercover cop....but it was a great story/movie.

anywho.....i'm looking forward to the next two episodes. should get real interesting, real fast.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, the death of major characters is not as gloom and doom as some portray it here. the show set itself up for that kind of expectation with how it started. i was floored when they killed Ned Stark in season one. then the red wedding....etc, etc, etc...for the TV viewer, it gave you a real sense of not knowing what would happen, and with that, very excited to see what happens next. that's basically it. it's not that you want big deaths all the time....but when you have them it changes the dynamic of the show, and sets a new path. and for hte most part, that's been pretty dramatic and exciting for the viewer.

there have been a lot of big moments in this show, most have been pretty much on point with what drives the audience to watch.....

not too many other TV shows out there generating the kind of talk like this one has...so mission accomplished.
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I get what you're saying. But, I think that there are people here and other places where I debate these points, who seem to believe that it cannot be realistic unless more people die. I think more people will. It is a full-fledged war, after all, and people do die in wars. I am just saying I hope it's not a situation where no one is left standing. I think it can still be very realistic with some of my own personal favorites surviving in the end.
 
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drvenner said:
I want a good ending. I do want Cersei to die and I am not saying I don't want anyone else to die. For example, if Jon dies but saves the realm from Cersei's tyranny, I am very good with that. I don't want people wiped out just for the shock effect. The Red Wedding is a key element to the story that also happens to be very shocking. I am hopeful that the ending will include some of my favorite characters still alive. If some bad guy gets to live, but the outcome is better for the people of Westeros, I am also good with that. I think it can be written so that it is realistic without it being over the top shock. Like you, I want an ending that makes sense, and, hopefully does not destroy Westeros.
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If you look at every good guy death, it's the result of them trying to do what they felt was the right thing. I don't think the Red Wedding was just for a shock effect. Robb was trying to do what he thought was right by attempting to honor an agreement, though altered. Tywin outmaneuvered him.
 
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VolNExile said:
View attachment 204681Ok, you win! You sound exactly like the Hound!

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Weezer said:
If you look at every good guy death, it's the result of them trying to do what they felt was the right thing. I don't think the Red Wedding was just for a shock effect. Robb was trying to do what he thought was right by attempting to honor an agreement, though altered. Tywin outmaneuvered him.
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I agree about the Red Wedding. My point was it was a very shocking thing to happen but fit well within the story and was a key element that changed how things were going. Robb Stark was a well-loved character and his death changed the game. It is a great part of the story.
 
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I played a Game of Thrones on line game for a long time. There were tons of people who played who were Team Lannister, who wanted them to win in the end, led by their heroine, Cersei.
 
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