HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Jon Snow deserves the chance to find some semblance of peace more than anybody in this whole wretched story...he had suffered enough, killing him at this point is just piling on. Tyrion is going to be miserable the rest of his life.
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Eh. I think they oversold on how unhappy he would be as Hand of the King. He is one of the few people that actually care about the people of Westeros and trying to keep them fairly safe/fed. He's probably one of the best people for the job, and I don't think it bothers him that much. Now that there's new leadership that isn't immediately contested they'll probably have several years of peace. The small council will probably be a good one, outside of Bronn as master of coin. Not saying he'll be bad, but we all see his approach to the job.

Bran as king is mainly a figurehead. Tyrion will have a lot more influence now on how he wants things to run.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Lazier than leaving all these loose ends? IDK, not saying your ending is any worse, but I think most fans would have hated that more. I do agree it shouldn't have worked out so well for all the remaining popular characters. Jon or Tyrian should have died.
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True. To me though the fact that ONLY Dany died to "overthrow" the tyranny she was attempting to bring down is absolutely bull****.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Jon Snow deserves the chance to find some semblance of peace more than anybody in this whole wretched story...he had suffered enough, killing him at this point is just piling on. Tyrion is going to be miserable the rest of his life.
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GOT has never been about what people deserve. Jon's whole code was about duty and honor and he shirked his duty at the wall and his duty to be king, so not sure what he deserves.
 
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n_huffhines said:
GOT has never been about what people deserve. Jon's whole code was about duty and honor and he shirked his duty at the wall and his duty to be king, so not sure what he deserves.
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John was a northman so technically Bran wasn't his king.
 
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hog88 said:
John was a northman so technically Bran wasn't his king.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you're probably misunderstanding me. Jon had a girlfriend, which was against his sworn oath. He then left the Night's Watch on a technicality (because he's walking dead), so that's debatable. He was the rightful heir to the iron throne and refused it. If one argues he refused it because he swore an oath to Dany, well he also killed Dany, so one or the other was shirking his duty.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you're probably misunderstanding me. Jon had a girlfriend, which was against his sworn oath. He then left the Night's Watch on a technicality (because he's walking dead), so that's debatable. He was the rightful heir to the iron throne and refused it. If one argues he refused it because he swore an oath to Dany, well he also killed Dany, so one or the other was shirking his duty.
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He was ordered to join the wildlings so bedding that girl was expected. I don't see that as shirking his oath.
I think the NWs oath has something about until death, he died so he fulfilled his oath IMO.
Last one can be debatable, he was never recognized as the rightful heir and to claim so he would have started a war with Danni he couldn't win. Of course the lords and ladies at the council could have told GW to piss off, John is the rightfull heir and named him king.
 
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JCP201 said:
With the way they left everything, could there be a Stark sequel?
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HBO execs have come out and said no.

But I'd check back in about 5 years or so. I have a feeling for many of these actors this will be by far the biggest thing they do so they may be open to a revival (well the ones still alive in the story).
 
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hog88 said:
He was ordered to join the wildlings so bedding that girl was expected. I don't see that as shirking his oath.
I think the NWs oath has something about until death, he died so he fulfilled his oath IMO.
Last one can be debatable, he was never recognized as the rightful heir and to claim so he would have started a war with Danni he couldn't win. Of course the lords and ladies at the council could have told GW to piss off, John is the rightfull heir and named him king.
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The episode was called Oathbreaker, LOL. Everybody's understanding of death is that it is permanent, so leaving the night's watch would be a violation of the spirit of the oath. You can make a case that it was not a violation of the letter of the law, but that's what a lawyer would do, that's not the way Jon Snow, a supposed slave to duty, would/should look at it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
HBO execs have come out and said no.

But I'd check back in about 5 years or so. I have a feeling for many of these actors this will be by far the biggest thing they do so they may be open to a revival (well the ones still alive in the story).
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Yeah, some of these other projects I've seen these actors working on seem kinda meh.
 
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It would have taken better storytelling, but I would have

1) Had Jaime's and Cersei's deaths make more sense. Jaime should have killed her and been killed in the process.

2) Had Dany kill Jon in the same fashion as Ned.

3) Had Tyrion kill Dany as Jaime killed the Mad King.

4) Had a battle between the North, led by Arya and Gendry, and Dany's army.

5) Had Arya kill Grey Worm.

6) Had Gendry become king with Davos as his hand.

7) Kept Arya's and Sansa's fates the same. Sam's, Brienne's, and Pod's as well.

8) Had Bran go back north with Tormund and Ghost. (Probably would have had Nymeria and her pack join the journey.)

9) Probably would have left Tyrion's fate a bit uncertain. Have him return more to his "I drink and I know things" way.

10) Not sure what exactly, but I'd have done something completely different from what they did with Bronn.


But honestly, I still say the biggest problem was the rush to the end and abandoning the storytelling GoT was known for.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The episode was called Oathbreaker, LOL. Everybody's understanding of death is that it is permanent, so leaving the night's watch would be a violation of the spirit of the oath. You can make a case that it was not a violation of the letter of the law, but that's what a lawyer would do, that's not the way Jon Snow, a supposed slave to duty, would/should look at it.
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There’s no night to watch with the WW gone...therefore no Nightwatch. Oath was to the old monarchy...so everything’s a do over. The North isn’t going to enforce an edict from a king who’s not their own and Sansa ain’t going to send any code enforcers. It was a platitude to Gray Worm and the Unsullied, so they’d sail their nutless carcasses out of Westeros. If Jon Snow’s satisfied with his fate...no need to bring a contrived dead code into it.
 
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butchna said:
There’s no night to watch with the WW gone...therefore no Nightwatch. Oath was to the old monarchy...so everything’s a do over. The North isn’t going to enforce an edict from a king who’s not their own and Sansa ain’t going to send any code enforcers. It was a platitude to Gray Worm and the Unsullied, so they’d sail their nutless carcasses out of Westeros. If Jon Snow’s satisfied with his fate...no need to bring a contrived dead code into it.
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I'm not talking about his leaving the wall in the last episode.
 
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butchna said:
Then you’re arguing legalities in a society where death by combat determines guilt/innocence. Jon Snow paid his dues.
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Wrong again. I'm not arguing legalities, I'm talking about honor and duty. I'm arguing that Snow violated the spirit of his oath. People saying "well technically he died" are arguing legalities.
 
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JCP201 said:
Arya and no hound-- Just wouldn't work for me. Now, if all of the people left were involved in a sequel, I would definitely watch, but probably better left to our imagination.
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Yeah, a big part of what made GOT good was the ensemble cast and the politicking was the most interesting aspect to me. If the story had been 75% focused on any one character, it would have become stale a long time ago. Things that happened with Arya were interesting, but she's not particularly interesting and she's not a cute little girl anymore. The only way the show would work is if it were another ensemble story.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, a big part of what made GOT good was the ensemble cast and the politicking was the most interesting aspect to me. If the story had been 75% focused on any one character, it would have become stale a long time ago. Things that happened with Arya were interesting, but she's not particularly interesting and she's not a cute little girl anymore. The only way the show would work is if it were another ensemble story.
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Oh, she's still cute as a button.
 
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Weezer said:
It would have taken better storytelling, but I would have

1) Had Jaime's and Cersei's deaths make more sense. Jaime should have killed her and been killed in the process.

2) Had Dany kill Jon in the same fashion as Ned.

3) Had Tyrion kill Dany as Jaime killed the Mad King.

4) Had a battle between the North, led by Arya and Gendry, and Dany's army.

5) Had Arya kill Grey Worm.

6) Had Gendry become king with Davos as his hand.

7) Kept Arya's and Sansa's fates the same. Sam's, Brienne's, and Pod's as well.

8) Had Bran go back north with Tormund and Ghost. (Probably would have had Nymeria and her pack join the journey.)

9) Probably would have left Tyrion's fate a bit uncertain. Have him return more to his "I drink and I know things" way.

10) Not sure what exactly, but I'd have done something completely different from what they did with Bronn.


But honestly, I still say the biggest problem was the rush to the end and abandoning the storytelling GoT was known for.
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I like a lot of this but would add that Jamie should have killed Cersei and then been killed by the Mountain and died in Brienne's arms (and then had Cleganne bowl). It just didn't fit where his arc had been headed. He hopped out of bed with Brienne and then did an abrupt about-face. I also would have killed off Sam in the Battle of Winterfell. He was just too darn soft and unskilled as a fighter to survive such an intense combat. There was too much "plot armor" in that battle.... maybe kill off Tormund as well.
 
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