Here comes the NCAA

#54
#54
Not sure how the process works, but I'd assume there's a third party that will render a ruling? Kind of like arbitration? If so, I'd make sure it's not someone connected to Saban and bama. Hate to go all tin hat here, but if we were still a non factor and/or not a permanent opponent of bama, I suspect this would have all been resolved by now. I'm sure throwing a flaming bag of dog poo into our surging recruiting will make bama, uga and our other sec foes giddy with glee.

Having said that, I certainly hope UT's legal team highlights comparable infractions and lax punishments in light of our cleaning house, restricting scholarships which basically killed our roster and depth. Again, I'm not sure how this next step works, who will be hearing and deciding the case, but I do hope that should things go against us, we'd be ready to take the NCAA to a real court of law. Somehow, someway there has to be a scenario that we could pursue real legal action. Hate that it's gotten to this point, but at least we're finally nearing the end of this BS.
 
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vol94 said:
Let Pruitt blame Fulmer as we canned Phil, too. He received a buyout clause but that was to save face so could go into the sunset as a VFL player and coach. And, it wouldn’t surprise me if Fulmer was aware of some of theShenanigans.
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If that is part of this hearing, then the NCAA is after institutional control issues which is a much bigger penalty. Tennessee had nothing in their findings implicating Fulmer.

Best hope Fulmer knew nothing.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Not sure how the process works, but I'd assume there's a third party that will render a ruling? Kind of like arbitration? If so, I'd make sure it's not someone connected to Saban and bama. Hate to go all tin hat here, but if we were still a non factor and/or not a permanent opponent of bama, I suspect this would have all been resolved by now. I'm sure throwing a flaming bag of dog poo into our surging recruiting will make bama, uga and our other sec foes giddy with glee.

Having said that, I certainly hope UT's legal team highlights comparable infractions and lax punishments in light of our cleaning house, restricting scholarships which basically killed our roster and depth. Again, I'm not sure how this next step works, who will be hearing and deciding the case, but I do hope that should things go against us, we'd be ready to take the NCAA to a real court of law. Somehow, someway there has to be a scenario that we could pursue real legal action. Hate that it's gotten to this point, but at least we're finally nearing the end of this BS.
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No third party involved. The NCAA will rule.

Tennessee, Pruitt and Ansley will meet with the infractions committee. The committee will be responsible for making the ruling after the hearing.

Tennessee is objecting to "additional" penalties that the NCAA wishes to impose. That can be the only reason Tennessee's portion of this has not been resolved. Tennessee and the NCAA have been trying to reach agreement on penalties for over a year now.

Pruitt and Ansley are in disagreement with the penalties the NCAA wishes to impose on them. Their lawyers have also been in discussions with the NCAA for over a year and have not gotten agreement on penalties.

This hearing is to reach a final resolutions (set of penalties) for all 3 parties.
 
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jes said:
Just as recruiting is heating up...

https://www.si.com/college/2023/04/04/tennessee-pruitt-ncaa-infractions-case-hearing

School officials, former head football coach Jeremy Pruitt and former defensive coordinator Derrick Ansley are scheduled to appear before members of the Committee on Infractions later this month, in what’s become a somewhat contentious fight between each of the three parties and the association. The three parties received a letter announcing the three-day hearing, scheduled for April 19–21 in Cincinnati, multiple sources tell Sports Illustrated.
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Nothing to see here. NCAA has 0 cred now!
 
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LWSVOL said:
If that is part of this hearing, then the NCAA is after institutional control issues which is a much bigger penalty. Tennessee had nothing in their findings implicating Fulmer.

Best hope Fulmer knew nothing.
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Problem is that Pruitt can say anything ito implicate Fulmer and our program. It's going to be a case of he said she said. Not sure who decides who to believe, but everything in me says UT will not get the benefit of the doubt and all our self flagellation will be for naught.
 
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LWSVOL said:
this is the issue. The NCAA wants to add to the penalties. Tennessee and the NCAA have been negotiating for over a year now to resolve the differences and have failed to find a resolution. That is why UT officials are headed to Cincinnati for the hearing.

Pruitt and Ansley also have been unable to come to agreement with the NCAA which is why they are included.

Its two different issues but all will be heard at this hearing. The NCAA will then rule on all and there is no appeal process. From what I understand, if Tennessee loses at the hearing, a lawsuit will be the follow up by Tennessee with support of the SEC.

But the reason UT is in the hearing is they and the NCAA could reach a common set of penalties.
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Wow, if that is the case the NCAA is cutting it's nose off to spite it's face. Praising a school as a model of cooperation then assessing penalties beyond what was already self imposed will just discourage other schools from ever cooperating.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Problem is that Pruitt can say anything ito implicate Fulmer and our program. It's going to be a case of he said she said. Not sure who decides who to believe, but everything in me says UT will not get the benefit of the doubt and all our self flagellation will be for naught.
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I doubt they take anyone's word. There will have to be some proof. Text Messages, emails, phone messages, etc. I feel certain Tennessee cleared all of those prior to finalizing their findings.

I've never believed the money that has been discussed. I believe it is much more than 60K but that is all they could prove.
 
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hog88 said:
Wow, if that is the case the NCAA is cutting it's nose off to spite it's face. Praising a school as a model of cooperation then assessing penalties beyond what was already self imposed will just discourage other schools from ever cooperating.
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Cooperating is just one phase of an investigation, internal or external. The documenting the findings is another phase. Applying penalties to those findings is another phase.

So the NCAA could praise the way Tennessee cooperated but disagree with penalties imposed. Those are 2 different things.
 
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#63
I don't think a bowl ban is in the discussion.

And I don't think Tennessee minds if the coaches involved get show cause penalties.

So the tussle between us and the NCAA on penalties probably comes down to three things:

a. Additional scholarship forfeiture?
b. Vacated wins in 2019 and/or 2020?
c. Monetary fines?

We're financially well enough off that I can't see them arguing enough over item c. to force an open hearing process.

So this is probably, from our perspective, all about scholarships and win/loss records. I'm glad the school is fighting against those. I hope they prevail.

But I don't expect them to, not entirely. I think as a minimum we're going to give up some of those Ws over the two seasons in question. Pity. We'll fall behind Georgia badly if we give them all up.

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VOLfrombama said:
I would love to know his defense strategy. Unless he blames it solely on Fulmer, then I don't see how he couldnt be at 100% fault for cash payments.
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“Fulmer made my wife give money to recruits” won’t make sense to anyone. If Pruitt try’s to bring new crap up, it will just dig his grave deeper.
 
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Can they all just agree to throw Neids under the bus? He seems like an A+ patsy.
 
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#69
Are people just parroting talking sports heads concerning the NCAAs toothlessness and powerlessness. This feels that way as if it's yet another power move by the elite to control something and move the NCAA outta the way.
The NCAA and it's woke promotions and historically imbalanced justice system has little respect from me in the 1st place. But, has anyone really seen who/what who replaces them, and asked "could it be worse"?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Cooperating is just one phase of an investigation, internal or external. The documenting the findings is another phase. Applying penalties to those findings is another phase.

So the NCAA could praise the way Tennessee cooperated but disagree with penalties imposed. Those are 2 different things.
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Sure but it would be egg on the NCAAs face after the praise. Few people understand the intricacies of an NCAA case, all the public will see is these guys were just praised by the NCAA and now they’re punishing them.
 
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hog88 said:
Sure but it would be egg on the NCAAs face after the praise. Few people understand the intricacies of an NCAA case, all the public will see is these guys were just praised by the NCAA and now they’re punishing them.
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that does not bother them at all. They've never worried about how they have been perceived even though they have given different penalties to different schools for the same violations. Given worse penalties to one school that might have less violations than another who got smaller penalties for worse violations.

They really don't care what people think of them in regards to how they investigate or penalize. Never have.

Its like they treat each engagement separately without comparing versus like investigations....
 
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hog88 said:
Sure but it would be egg on the NCAAs face after the praise. Few people understand the intricacies of an NCAA case, all the public will see is these guys were just praised by the NCAA and now they’re punishing them.
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We chose to cooperate and self impose penalties to lessen the blow on the final ruling. It was a calculated move. I doubt there'd be a school unwilling to cooperate in the face of such complicit evidence. Just the way it goes...

@LWSVOL any insight into the mood around UT for this hearing? I seem to recall Pruitt making some retaliatory remarks about UT a few months back.
 
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