Here comes the NCAA

#78
#78
Savannahbayvol said:
How in the hell Fulmer escaped this without any blame is beyond me.

If he knew what was going on and didnt do anything that is a huge violation.

If he was so stupid he didnt know what was going on(most likely) that is a LOIC.
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This is the loose end here. The university did not fire Fulmer. They are still paying him. If Pruitt implicates Fulmer and UT is still paying him then how can you say you cleaned house? Fulmer still hangs around the athletic department.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
We chose to cooperate and self impose penalties to lessen the blow on the final ruling. It was a calculated move. I doubt there'd be a school unwilling to cooperate in the face of such complicit evidence. Just the way it goes...

@LWSVOL any insight into the mood around UT for this hearing? I seem to recall Pruitt making some retaliatory remarks about UT a few months back.
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No. UT very tight lipped about this... They didn't even say anything about the hearing. Dellinger got it from NCAA sources.

Did hear that UT would sue if NCAA dropped hammer and the SEC was supportive of that happening. I'm not sure how that would play out..
 
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#83
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LWSVOL said:
If that is part of this hearing, then the NCAA is after institutional control issues which is a much bigger penalty. Tennessee had nothing in their findings implicating Fulmer.

Best hope Fulmer knew nothing.
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The charges leveled by the NCAA did not include the lack of institutional control.

The most serious charge was "failure to monitor the football program" which the university has disputed as Pruitt and his staff actively did all they could to conceal their improper actions.

Who knows what's really going on but I suspect the biggest reason this has taken so long is Pruitt trying to deflect as much of the blame from himself to reduce his show cause penalty.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
The charges leveled by the NCAA did not include the lack of institutional control.

The most serious charge was "failure to monitor the football program" which the university has disputed as Pruitt and his staff actively did all they could to conceal their improper actions.

Who knows what's really going on but I suspect the biggest reason this has taken so long is Pruitt trying to deflect as much of the blame from himself to reduce his show cause penalty.
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I understand that. I was responding to a poster who was indicating he felt Fulmer knew and Pruitt knew Fulmer knew.

My point being, if someone brings proof to the hearing that Fulmer knew, it will be a new ballgame. That would change the NCAA allegations.
 
#86
#86
Clad in Big Orange said:
Still can’t believe anybody with a brain would hire cornbread to be the face and top executive of their program. You had one job Fulmer. Don’t hire someone that embarrasses the program. Fail!
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Hindsight is always 20/20. I mean you can’t really blame Fulmer for hiring Pruitt. I think Phil thought he was gonna be like Kirby Smart. Nobody thought Pruitt was gonna do anything close to this.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hindsight is always 20/20. I mean you can’t really blame Fulmer for hiring Pruitt. I think Phil thought he was gonna be like Kirby Smart. Nobody thought Pruitt was gonna do anything close to this.
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Fulmer wanted Mel Tucker. He was over ruled by more influential people.
 
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#91
hog88 said:
Sure but it would be egg on the NCAAs face after the praise. Few people understand the intricacies of an NCAA case, all the public will see is these guys were just praised by the NCAA and now they’re punishing them.
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No one's going to feel sorry for us. The rest of CFB will just laugh. That is not to say you aren't 100% right logically.
 
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Clad in Big Orange said:
Still can’t believe anybody with a brain would hire cornbread to be the face and top executive of their program. You had one job Fulmer. Don’t hire someone that embarrasses the program. Fail!
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Yeah, I was always supportive of Fulmer and didn't want him fired as coach but he really screwed us as AD. Couldn't have done a worse job if he tried. I think he foolishly saw Pruitt as someone he could work with and mentor and he could simultaneously relive the glory days and go to practice in sweatpants, etc. The moral of the story though is never trust a Bammer. I can't believe Fulmer forgot that.
 
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LWSVOL said:
No. UT very tight lipped about this... They didn't even say anything about the hearing. Dellinger got it from NCAA sources.

Did hear that UT would sue if NCAA dropped hammer and the SEC was supportive of that happening. I'm not sure how that would play out..
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If UT does get the hammer, I hope they do sue. I think there's ample evidence that the NCAA is very selective in how they mete out punishments.
 
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#96
The Notice of Allegations only carried 18 Level I violations, Pruitt couldn't even win 18 games in 3 seasons at Tennessee.

The Level I violations, even under todays NIL rules would still be Level I violations, knowingly providing improper benefits and the shear volume of admitted violations is concerning.

Fulmer's contract had the same compliance with NCAA language as Pruitt's did and the fact that Tennessee continued to pay Fulmer and brick Pruitt would make Fulmer's testimony potentially "bought" self serving testimony, as Pruitt has nothing to gain or to lose by implicating the university, he and his wife are going to get an extended time out from the college game for the foreseable future. The university ought to issue their own show cause order against Fulmer, banning him from university events to keep that sordid level of collegiate incompetence and outright unbridled greed away from all things Tennessee.

We can do better and we can win playing by the rules.
 
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TartanTurff said:
The Notice of Allegations only carried 18 Level I violations, Pruitt couldn't even win 18 games in 3 seasons at Tennessee.

The Level I violations, even under todays NIL rules would still be Level I violations, knowingly providing improper benefits and the shear volume of admitted violations is concerning.

Fulmer's contract had the same compliance with NCAA language as Pruitt's did and the fact that Tennessee continued to pay Fulmer and brick Pruitt would make Fulmer's testimony potentially "bought" self serving testimony, as Pruitt has nothing to gain or to lose by implicating the university, he and his wife are going to get an extended time out from the college game for the foreseable future. The university ought to issue their own show cause order against Fulmer, banning him from university events to keep that sordid level of collegiate incompetence and outright unbridled greed away from all things Tennessee.

We can do better and we can win playing by the rules.
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LOL... after not implicating Fulmer in their investigative report they are going to ban Fulmer? Seems that would be admitting to more than they found in their investigation. Plays right into the NCAA's hands.
 
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#99
#99
Unless Pruitt or one of the others contesting the findings has a big smoking gun, our punishment will be our own self imposed penalties.
 
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#100
What if someone on staff does have proof Fulmer knew about everything and even helped raise money from boosters to give to recruits. What if ???? How would we feel now???? Sounds like we would be on a slippery slope with Pruitt on the stand and having proof. We should have just paid the guy like everybody always does and gotten it over with. Not saying Cornbread has proof but I bet someone does.
 
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