Herman Cain

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utvolpj said:
you'd think our resident lawyer would realize that
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If you are referring to me, I do realize that and do not put a lot of weight on the settlements as proof it did or did not occur.

My criticism at this point is more with the bungled way it has been handled. Apparently, Politico asked the campaign about it and gave them ten days to respond before they ran the story.

With that kind of lead time, I'd have expected a more coherent response from both Cain and the campaign than the sort of ostrich head in the sand approach it seems there has been.
 
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golfballs03 said:
parties settle out of court all the time regardless of whether they are guilty or not
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It's the whole Erin Brockovich scam...do you settle for relatively small bucks or do you risk a whole business banking that the judge and jury will be both competent and fair.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If you are referring to me, I do realize that and do not put a lot of weight on the settlements as proof it did or did not occur.

My criticism at this point is more with the bungled way it has been handled. Apparently, Politico asked the campaign about it and gave them ten days to respond before they ran the story.

With that kind of lead time, I'd have expected a more coherent response from both Cain and the campaign than the sort of ostrich head in the sand approach it seems there has been.
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And your a Obama supporter?
 
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utvolpj said:
so if it was a $10k settlement would you still see it as a big deal? How much do you think it costs to fight one of those cases?



you'd think our resident lawyer would realize that
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Yes, because if there is no evidence, all he had to do is go to court and they will throw the case out and his name is completely clear.
By settling out of court, he didn't want information coming out, otherwise why not completely clear your name?
 
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oklavol said:
Yes, because if there is no evidence, all he had to do is go to court and they will throw the case out and his name is completely clear.
By settling out of court, he didn't want information coming out, otherwise why not completely clear your name?
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It's not that simple.
 
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In this racist, society that treats blacks as second class citizens, it says something that an entity would stand behind Cain during that incident and not throw him under the bus. :unsure:
 
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oklavol said:
Wo is going to pay someone money for something they didn't do and have absolutely no proof of?
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Because it's cheaper than the legal fees for defending against allegations of something so subjective like harassment
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golfballs03 said:
Because it's cheaper than the legal fees for defending against allegations of something so subjective like harassment
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No it's not.
Without evidence there is no case here.
It's he said she said.

Only an idiot would pay someone off in that case.
All you are doing is encouraging more of it.

You pay it off when you dont want information becoming public.

Your telling me the company he was the President of doesn't already have corporate lawyers to handle lawsuits? Of course they do.
 
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oklavol said:
No it's not.
Without evidence there is no case here.
It's he said she said.

Only an idiot would pay someone off in that case.
All you are doing is encouraging more of it.

You pay it off when you dont want information becoming public.

Your telling me the company he was the President of doesn't already have corporate lawyers to handle lawsuits? Of course they do.
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You can think what you like, but these sort of things happen.
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EvanStalcup1990 said:
This is why I don't speak to women in the workforce.
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:lol:

I've actually seen 2 people get fired for sexual harassment from 2 different companies.
It's generally quite blatant with other people witnessing it when that happens.

The sad reality is there is much, much more of it that takes place that ever gets reported.
They know they wouldn't be able to prove it so they don't report.
I've known a couple of situations where that has happened.
 
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GAVol said:
A guy with a good name, valuable time and a lot to lose if he runs into a crazy jury.
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The majority of people are not going to give someone money for something they completely fabricated simply out of the principle.
Most people are not going to allow someone to take advantage of them if they can fight it, it's human nature.
 
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oklavol said:
The sad reality is there is much, much more of it that takes place that ever gets reported.
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I don't doubt that for a second. But there are also a lot of goofy allegations. My Dad, for instance, had an employee that was constantly away from her desk talking to co-workers. He joked that he was going to have to chain her to her desk so she could get some work done. She claimed that she found the statement to be racist since she is black and her ancestors had been chained together on slave ships.
 
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Again, it speaks volumes that the National Restaurant Association would stick with him in spite of the serious charge that was thrown his way. I just can't imagine that they would support him if they had any evidence that there was some truth in the accusers' claims. Remember, black guys aren't given a fair shake, yet this guy seemed to get a pass.

Why?
 
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I'm not saying the burden of proof... that is left up to the courtroom but man Politico has been extremely vague. Ok fine two employees claimed harassment. But for what exactly? I know they state that one was involving an invitation to his hotel room. However they admit none were overtly sexual. That leaves a ton of room to interpret there. Maybe they were going over things discussed in the day's meetings? Who knows?

Also, isn't a sexual harassment case civil? If so, that is just a majority vote on the Jury to decide, is it not? And with those two facts (if they are true I am honestly asking if that is the case) I highly doubt the president/CEO of a company is going to win over a majority of a Jury, when the major chunk of this society is about "sticking it to the man."
 
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You cannot blame the Politico for running the story; they have not printed anything that is false. They have, for the time being, refrained from printing anything that might not yet be corroborated or verifiable.

Do you want the press to return to the pre-1970s protocol where they protected public figures? I, for one, want the press to provide verified and veridical information when they have it. The fact that these two allegations were brought against Cain and that they were settled with large sums of money is something that needs to be addressed.
 
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