Herman Cain

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The temporary hold on Cain's spot in the polls is based on two things.

One, denial. Those who support Cain are Tea Partiers who hate Obama so much that they can for a time stomach pretty much any dysfunction in their flavor of the month. That will fade. The debate will take care of that.

Two, false conspiracy. Related to the above, the Cain supporters earlier this week were all hyped up by Fox and conservative commentators to "blame" the disclosure of the scandal on the "mainstream media," which the far right sees as leftist. But, Cain says it was the Perry camp that did it. Still a bit of a disconnect there.

Cain's biggest blunder in all of this might well turn out to be that he has himself accused the Perry campaign of leaking the story. Had he stuck with the original whine -- that it was a smear campaign from the left -- he could have ridden that whole high tech lynching nonsense to perhaps even more support. He could have used the division to his advantage.

But the truth is that it was from within the GOP. And Cain could not help himself but to call out Perry as the source.

The sigh from those on the far right blindly wishing that it was a smear campaign from the left was audible.
 
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It's gotta be Romney. There's no other choice with potential to win at this point unless Christie or Ryan throw their hat in. Or if Ron Paul has an explosion in popularity....sorry about that. I started daydreaming mid-post.
 
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Really, it's still too early and there are way too many debates left to try and predict anything. 4 years ago it looked like we were headed for Giuliani vs. Clinton and John McCain was driving a station wagon from appearance to appearance. (Kind of wish he'd gotten a flat tire.)
 
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lawgator1 said:
The temporary hold on Cain's spot in the polls is based on two things.

One, denial. Those who support Cain are Tea Partiers who hate Obama so much that they can for a time stomach pretty much any dysfunction in their flavor of the month. That will fade. The debate will take care of that.

Two, false conspiracy. Related to the above, the Cain supporters earlier this week were all hyped up by Fox and conservative commentators to "blame" the disclosure of the scandal on the "mainstream media," which the far right sees as leftist. But, Cain says it was the Perry camp that did it. Still a bit of a disconnect there.

Cain's biggest blunder in all of this might well turn out to be that he has himself accused the Perry campaign of leaking the story. Had he stuck with the original whine -- that it was a smear campaign from the left -- he could have ridden that whole high tech lynching nonsense to perhaps even more support. He could have used the division to his advantage.

But the truth is that it was from within the GOP. And Cain could not help himself but to call out Perry as the source.

The sigh from those on the far right blindly wishing that it was a smear campaign from the left was audible.
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You just pulled that out of your okole.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You just pulled that out of your okole.
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Then who is it? Seems like the moderates of the party would long ago have joined Team Romney just because he figures to win the nomination and appears to be the most stable of the entire group, least likely to simply implode on stage next to Obama.

The entire lot of the rest of them look to me like they could easily spontaneously combust.
 
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nbakerld said:
It's gotta be Romney. There's no other choice with potential to win at this point unless Christie or Ryan throw their hat in. Or if Ron Paul has an explosion in popularity....sorry about that. I started daydreaming mid-post.
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PLEASE

How about both on the same ticket?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Then who is it? Seems like the moderates of the party would long ago have joined Team Romney just because he figures to win the nomination and appears to be the most stable of the entire group, least likely to simply implode on stage next to Obama.

The entire lot of the rest of them look to me like they could easily spontaneously combust.
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The majority of Cain's supporters are people that have broken off from Romney or Perry and a collection of people that Newt should be pandering too. I don't see much tea party support behind Cain. Not saying that there is no tea party support. I'm just saying that it is not a majority and nowhere near the amount that you make it out to be.

And as far as the people that will want to get Obama out by any means necessary, they are mostly the mainstreamers that will support Romney, Perry, Cain, or any other candidate outside of Ron Paul. Most tea partiers or Paul supporters will not just vote for the top GOP candidate just because he is a GOP'er. Most would just as easily vote 3rd party or sit at home as opposed to voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
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GAVol said:
Newt is a heck of a lot smarter than Thompson.
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It has nothing to do with his intelligence. I'm speaking more about the spirit of their campaigns and the disappointing buzz and enthusiam of their campaigns.

Both guys have big names, but were not able to drum up the type of enthusiasm to make a push before the primaries. Plus, they both appear to be going through the motions. Just no energy in them or their campaigns.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The majority of Cain's supporters are people that have broken off from Romney or Perry and a collection of people that Newt should be pandering too. I don't see much tea party support behind Cain. Not saying that there is no tea party support. I'm just saying that it is not a majority and nowhere near the amount that you make it out to be.

And as far as the people that will want to get Obama out by any means necessary, they are mostly the mainstreamers that will support Romney, Perry, Cain, or any other candidate outside of Ron Paul. Most tea partiers or Paul supporters will not just vote for the top GOP candidate just because he is a GOP'er. Most would just as easily vote 3rd party or sit at home as opposed to voting for the lesser of two evils.
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GAVol said:
Seriously?
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Me, too. I know he had some early flubs with the abortion issue, but recently took hard line stance, which would seem to get him some points with the Evangelical crowd.

Plus he's not a Mormon.
 
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who was it on here saying that Bachmann was the leader of the Tea Party? If that were the case, wouldn't the tea party support her?
 
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golfballs03 said:
who was it on here saying that Bachmann was the leader of the Tea Party? If that were the case, wouldn't the tea party support her?
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It never ceases to amaze me how people think the Tea Party is this homogenous voting block.
 
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GAVol said:
How so? It's not like these people are single minded robots unable to make a political calculation.
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Our current system requires political unity, or, at the very least, the more unified side wins.

The rise of the TP might work to get a few in Congress, but in a presidential election it could be very detrimental to the GOP candidate.
 
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HSVol said:
Our current system requires political unity, or, at the very least, the more unified side wins.

The rise of the TP might work to get a few in Congress, but in a presidential election it could be very detrimental to the GOP candidate.
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Only if you think people are too narrow minded to vote for the next best option if their guy doesn't get the nomination. If UE is still in the 8+ range next November, I think the "Anybody but Obama" sentiment is going to trump people's disdain for a RINO like Romney if he's the guy on the ballot.
 
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