Herman Cain

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GAVol said:
Only if you think people are too narrow minded to vote for the next best option if their guy doesn't get the nomination. If UE is still in the 8+ range next November, I think the "Anybody but Obama" sentiment is going to trump people's disdain for a RINO like Romney if he's the guy on the ballot.
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Sometimes, you have to lose elections to make a point. Most tea partiers are not going to lose any sleep if Obama is re-elected because in truth, Perry or Romney are not going to move this country in the right direction, either.

Politics as usual in the GOP is over. The GOP has to either get better candidates or be content with winning the house and senate in the next few elections until they get it right.
 
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GAVol said:
Only if you think people are too narrow minded to vote for the next best option if their guy doesn't get the nomination. If UE is still in the 8+ range next November, I think the "Anybody but Obama" sentiment is going to trump people's disdain for a RINO like Romney if he's the guy on the ballot.
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I think it will be more than just that number. I think it is a question of whether that number is trending, whether the housing situation has gotten any better, GDP trends, and other similar measures.
 
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chicago_vol said:
Forget sex scandal.

Herman Cain did not know China has nuclear capability. He said in a recent interview.

"They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability"

Cain Confident He Can Win Nomination, Says Harassment Claims Are 'Baseless' | PBS NewsHour | Oct. 31, 2011 | PBS

How can someone who wants to be president not know some of the most basic information about countries?
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We aren't worldly? lol.

Rick Mercer - Talking To Americans - YouTube
 
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chicago_vol said:
Forget sex scandal.

Herman Cain did not know China has nuclear capability. He said in a recent interview.

"They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability"

Cain Confident He Can Win Nomination, Says Harassment Claims Are 'Baseless' | PBS NewsHour | Oct. 31, 2011 | PBS

How can someone who wants to be president not know some of the most basic information about countries?
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He was referring to nuclear powered aircraft carriers.
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GAVol said:
Only if you think people are too narrow minded to vote for the next best option if their guy doesn't get the nomination. If UE is still in the 8+ range next November, I think the "Anybody but Obama" sentiment is going to trump people's disdain for a RINO like Romney if he's the guy on the ballot.
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H. Ross Perot in 1992

Nader in 2000
 
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GAVol said:
Nader got no more kook votes than he normally does. Perot was a pure protest vote. He was never in a primary.
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All I'm saying is that they appreciably affected the outcome of the election even though they had no chance of victory.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Newt 2012 = Fred Thompson 2008
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In what way? Fred Thompson performed horribly during his few debates, and Newt has arguably performed best in nearly every debate. Not to mention Newt prolly has 10 times the intelligence and knowledge as Thompson.
 
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HSVol said:
This is impossible to project.
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Yeah. No way to know, but it puts in question the statement I was responding to (if you think Reagan was a great president). If Ford beats Carter and the economy is still a mess 4 years later, a republican probably doesn't win in 1980.
 
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GAVol said:
Ford not winning was more about Watergate than anything else.
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Maybe, but that doesn't really change my point. Reagan probably doesn't happen if Ford wins, so conceivably losing an election can be a good thing.
 
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I'm not saying this will happen at all, as the current economic environment is as fragile as it's ever been, but history indicates that the next president will preside over economic expansion.

Would economic recovery be good for conservatives or liberals if BHO is in office?
 
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GAVol said:
A romantic notion, but it's never been true. There are no moral victories in Presidential politics.
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It isn't a moral victory because electing Romney and perhaps Perry wouldn't be a victory either. If the choice is between a progressive, big gov't Dem and a progressive, slightly less big gov't (country club/rich favoring) Republican then I will gladly cast my protest vote.

You seem to think you are voting for something fundamentally different from Obama by voting for whoever the GOP throws out there. I used to think the same way. Repeatedly I compromised what I believed in and voted for who I thought was the lesser of two evils. Guess what? After Reagan the GOP gleefully kept sending me "evil". Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain...

It isn't just a "little" disagreement over one issue or another with these guys. It is a VERY fundamental disagreement about the purpose and rightful limits of gov't. These guys did/do NOT disagree with Dems that gov't should be big and pervasively powerful in our lives. They simply disagree on who should be favored and how power should be used.

There's another problem with voting for these guys... when you buy a tool for the shop... all the mechanics get to use it. So while you and I might have trusted the Bush Admin to use some of the rules that weakened privacy rights in a constructive way, those weakened rights are now subject to people that I most certainly do not trust.
 
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nbakerld said:
Maybe, but that doesn't really change my point. Reagan probably doesn't happen if Ford wins, so conceivably losing an election can be a good thing.
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No way of knowing that, but Reagan actually came out of the 76 convention as a superstar at likely was going to happen at some point no matter what.

Think of all the judicial appointments Carter got to make in those 4 years: the complete malaise that fell over the country; the hit we took as far as the way we were viewed in the world. I just don't think it's ever worth it.
 
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sjt18 said:
It isn't a moral victory because electing Romney and perhaps Perry wouldn't be a victory either. If the choice is between a progressive, big gov't Dem and a progressive, slightly less big gov't (country club/rich favoring) Republican then I will gladly cast my protest vote.

You seem to think you are voting for something fundamentally different from Obama by voting for whoever the GOP throws out there. I used to think the same way. Repeatedly I compromised what I believed in and voted for who I thought was the lesser of two evils. Guess what? After Reagan the GOP gleefully kept sending me "evil". Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain...

It isn't just a "little" disagreement over one issue or another with these guys. It is a VERY fundamental disagreement about the purpose and rightful limits of gov't. These guys did/do NOT disagree with Dems that gov't should be big and pervasively powerful in our lives. They simply disagree on who should be favored and how power should be used.

There's another problem with voting for these guys... when you buy a tool for the shop... all the mechanics get to use it. So while you and I might have trusted the Bush Admin to use some of the rules that weakened privacy rights in a constructive way, those weakened rights are now subject to people that I most certainly do not trust.
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Like it or not, it's the way a 2 party system works. It's kind of like playing for field position in a football game.
 
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sjt18 said:
It isn't a moral victory because electing Romney and perhaps Perry wouldn't be a victory either. If the choice is between a progressive, big gov't Dem and a progressive, slightly less big gov't (country club/rich favoring) Republican then I will gladly cast my protest vote.

You seem to think you are voting for something fundamentally different from Obama by voting for whoever the GOP throws out there. I used to think the same way. Repeatedly I compromised what I believed in and voted for who I thought was the lesser of two evils. Guess what? After Reagan the GOP gleefully kept sending me "evil". Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain...

It isn't just a "little" disagreement over one issue or another with these guys. It is a VERY fundamental disagreement about the purpose and rightful limits of gov't. These guys did/do NOT disagree with Dems that gov't should be big and pervasively powerful in our lives. They simply disagree on who should be favored and how power should be used.

There's another problem with voting for these guys... when you buy a tool for the shop... all the mechanics get to use it. So while you and I might have trusted the Bush Admin to use some of the rules that weakened privacy rights in a constructive way, those weakened rights are now subject to people that I most certainly do not trust.
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Well, this is what we have. The store is only selling two tools these days. So it's either a hammer or a screw driver. Problem is you need a wrench.

Unless there's a political or cultural revolution, I guess you're screwed. Or nailed. Whichever.
 
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