Hey alleged Christians ....

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BeecherVol said:
I see this thread got better.

LG, can you at least get a mod to take "alleged" out of the thread title. Im not sure you really need that anymore.
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The point of alleged was to point out the dichotomy between word and action for some Christians when it comes to politics and wealth. It's a legitimate criticism, IMO.
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lawgator1 said:
The point of alleged was to point out the dichotomy between word and action for some Christians when it comes to politics and wealth. It's a legitimate criticism, IMO.
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you either don't understand the quote you posted in the OP or have just dropped that and gone a different direction now. Which is it?
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Not seeing how he is a bigot for disagreeing. Is it because his opinion hurts so good?
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Disagreeing doesn't make one a bigot. Pretending that your intelligence level is superior to another because of their beliefs is a prime example.

He went with the latter.
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NYYVol said:
Disagreeing doesn't make one a bigot. Pretending that your intelligence level is superior to another because of their beliefs is a prime example.

He went with the latter.
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And oe likes to run his mouth
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I wont sumatt said:
Religious people should learn to accept that their "live" religion is as sound as all of the dead ones. Mythology is the same today as it was 5,000 years ago. Let us rise from the Stone Age, where possible.
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Nice comment, I guess I will put my bible down and club a baby seal. Maybe later on today I will try to take down a mammoth with my fellow christians, and maybe if we are lucky Caesar wont feed us to the lions
 
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lawgator1 said:
The point of alleged was to point out the dichotomy between word and action for some Christians when it comes to politics and wealth. It's a legitimate criticism, IMO.
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If you understood what you are talking about yes. Im still not sure that is the case.

If you want to grip about "christians" that don't give/help as they are instructed to by God, go for it. That criticism is legit. However, you jumped into the political arena with it and don't really understand where they split. Basically your trying to use christian principles to prove that wealth should be forcefully distributed by the government instead of given by the individual. As Yoda would say, "that is why you failed".
 
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I wont sumatt said:
Just because I say that someone is wrong doesn't make me a bigot. I am not being hateful or intolerant. You guys can believe what you want. That is cool. But I have every right to express my opinion that you are wrong in your beliefs. Come on, people.
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You certainly have the right. You claimed it was an objective opinion - I would quibble with that.

Where you tread the line of prejudiced opinion is the generalization (all who believe this are...) and the derogatory terms (fairy tale) along with the underlying implication that your opinion (subjective) is superior to the entire group you are opining about.

That said, it's no more bigoted that 90% of what gets posted here. I frequently make similar comments about Bammers :)
 
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BeecherVol said:
If you understood what you are talking about yes. Im still not sure that is the case.

If you want to grip about "christians" that don't give/help as they are instructed to by God, go for it. That criticism is legit. However, you jumped into the political arena with it and don't really understand where they split. Basically your trying to use christian principles to prove that wealth should be forcefully distributed by the government instead of given by the individual. As Yoda would say, "that is why you failed".
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The difference is when "religious people" run for office and use their religiosity as a reason that they should be voted for, but then at the same time advocate policy which is inconsistent, at its very core, with religion.

What's arguably worse is all the self-described Christians who proudly support and vote for the Christian candidate precisely because he or she advocates policies which are contrary to the shared Christianity.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The difference is when "religious people" run for office and use their religiosity as a reason that they should be voted for, but then at the same time advocate policy which is inconsistent, at its very core, with religion.

What's arguably worse is all the self-described Christians who proudly support and vote for the Christian candidate precisely because he or she advocates policies which are contrary to the shared Christianity.
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lol
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good grief, wanting small gov't does not equal neglecting the poor. Hard to believe you were ever undecided
 
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lawgator1 said:
The difference is when "religious people" run for office and use their religiosity as a reason that they should be voted for, but then at the same time advocate policy which is inconsistent, at its very core, with religion.

What's arguably worse is all the self-described Christians who proudly support and vote for the Christian candidate precisely because he or she advocates policies which are contrary to the shared Christianity.
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you do not understand the intent of the policy. It's clear you believe the poor cannot become unpoor and help must come through the government.

Because of your beliefs, you've twisted the rationale to be that Christians are hypocrites. Congrats on such an open mind.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The difference is when "religious people" run for office and use their religiosity as a reason that they should be voted for, but then at the same time advocate policy which is inconsistent, at its very core, with religion.

What's arguably worse is all the self-described Christians who proudly support and vote for the Christian candidate precisely because he or she advocates policies which are contrary to the shared Christianity.
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I implied ignorance/not knowing better throughout this thread in regards to you understanding christians, the Bible, and the needy.

My mistake.
 
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volinbham said:
you do not understand the intent of the policy. It's clear you believe the poor cannot become unpoor and help must come through the government.

Because of your beliefs, you've twisted the rationale to be that Christians are hypocrites. Congrats on such an open mind.
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I am a Christian (Presbyterian, to be exact) and I do consider some of my politics to be informed by that. Although I fall far short in my faith (as we all do), when it comes to voting I do place significant value on a candidate's level of compassion for the poor and the disadvantaged. Indeed, part of my, generally speaking, liberal views on things like spending and taxation, education, and welfare policies in general are driven by my faith and view of Christianity.

So when I see people who look down on me because I'm a liberal, who proclaim superiority based on their Christian values, but then who either run for office or vote for others based on policies that outright promote wealth accumulation and cutting off services to the poor, I guess it just rubs me the wrong way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am a Christian (Presbyterian, to be exact) and I do consider some of my politics to be informed by that. Although I fall far short in my faith (as we all do), when it comes to voting I do place significant value on a candidate's level of compassion for the poor and the disadvantaged. Indeed, part of my, generally speaking, liberal views on things like spending and taxation, education, and welfare policies in general are driven by my faith and view of Christianity.

So when I see people who look down on me because I'm a liberal, who proclaim superiority based on their Christian values, but then who either run for office or vote for others based on policies that outright promote wealth accumulation and cutting off services to the poor, I guess it just rubs me the wrong way.
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Wonderful.......the reason we are in this mess in the first place, the churches leaving their communities and being replaced by govt welfare programs.

Christians becoming lazy and wanting govt to do their job!
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