Hey alleged Christians ....

#386
#386
Vercingetorix said:
We make plenty of money; we could easily afford a $50,000 car. But why spend so much on something that's basically a driving appliance? I'd rather spend the difference on something else -- travel, the house, etc. Fortunately for me it's just an economic decision; I'm not shackled to this morality that I have to pay lip service to but that I somehow have to rationalize getting around.
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If you view 50k as so much you do not make alot of money. That is not the perspective of someone who makes "alot" of money.

If 50K is a monthly check for you and you can pay for a vehicle in cash with one month's check then 50K is just not that big a deal. I'm sorry but this conversation does have a sliding scale reality to it.

Job was never asked to live in a shack. He had a big house and God ended up making him even richer. It is not about money. It is about the heart. God never ask for you to live way beneath your means and hand every dime you make out. Taking care of the poor does not mean giving them everything you have and living poor yourself.

You also lost your cool and the arguement when you went all sky god on here. It showed your hand.
 
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#387
#387
RespectTradition said:
Your mockery, displayed in your use of terms like 'big sky daddy' shows that you are actually uninterested in intelligent conversation on this topic and that you are just picking fights. Does it amuse you to mock others?
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I've been trying to have an intelligent discussion about this, and the best answer I've received is that my "nonbeliever" mind is incapable of understanding anything the Bible says because I can't take myself seriously enough to swear obedience to an entity I've neither heard nor seen.

Care to give me more than others? Because Volatile is making more sense than the notion that my lack of faith makes me illiterate for ~1200 pages.
 
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#389
DinkinFlicka said:
I've been trying to have an intelligent discussion about this, and the best answer I've received is that my "nonbeliever" mind is incapable of understanding anything the Bible says because I can't take myself seriously enough to swear obedience to an entity I've neither heard nor seen.

Care to give me more than others? Because Volatile is making more sense than the notion that my lack of faith makes me illiterate for ~1200 pages.
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If you have truly sat down with an open mind and weighed both equally and searched for which one you feel is the truth then your decision has been made to the best of your ability. Not everyone on this planet must agree. Even in a church, under the same preacher, there will be people with different views. Same as scientist within a college.

I would also say your lack of faith has nothing to do with being illiterate. Doubting Thomas didn't believe until he physically saw the wounds. Peter walked with Christ and still doubted him on the sea. Judas betrayed him. Everyone must make their own decision. I wish everyone was a believer in Christ but that just isn't going to happen. All I ask is that when we talk you realize I have made my decision through research and things I feel are true and treat me with the same respect I would you. Both well thought out decisions made at a fork in the road that neitehr know for sure what lies down the road, both taking different forks.
 
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#390
NEOCON said:
If you have truly sat down with an open mind and weighed both equally and searched for which one you feel is the truth then your decision has been made to the best of your ability. Not everyone on this planet must agree. Even in a church, under the same preacher, there will be people with different views. Same as scientist within a college.

I would also say your lack of faith has nothing to do with being illiterate. Doubting Thomas didn't believe until he physically saw the wounds. Peter walked with Christ and still doubted him on the sea. Judas betrayed him. Everyone must make their own decision. I wish everyone was a believer in Christ but that just isn't going to happen. All I ask is that when we talk you realize I have made my decision through research and things I feel are true and treat me with the same respect I would you. Both well thought out decisions made at a fork in the road that neitehr know for sure what lies down the road, both taking different forks.
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Whether or not you believe in God has nothing to do with credibility.
 
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#391
lawgator1 said:
If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknolwedge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

-- Steven Colbert
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fail
 
#392
#392
The Liberals' idea of helping the poor is taking other peoples money and giving it to the poor.

Taking other people's money is called theft whether I do it, or the government does it.
 
#393
#393
DinkinFlicka said:
I've been trying to have an intelligent discussion about this, and the best answer I've received is that my "nonbeliever" mind is incapable of understanding anything the Bible says because I can't take myself seriously enough to swear obedience to an entity I've neither heard nor seen.

Care to give me more than others? Because Volatile is making more sense than the notion that my lack of faith makes me illiterate for ~1200 pages.
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If u r looking for a biblical answer..........not really going to get anything else than lack of faith in christ
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#394
#394
2nd Corinthians 7:10 says for godly sorrow worketh repentance not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Much of this sorrow is felt by God's judgement of sin. It's difficult to teach God's judgement over an internet forum, to complete strangers.


God won't reveal to a person how wicked your heart is, and manifest the secrets of your heart unless he wants to.
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#397
#397
lawgator1 said:
He makes a valid point. How can the likes of Bachmann or Perry tout Christian values while advocating massive cuts to the poor and the rich getting richer ?
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Lawyer?....no way....teacher...perhaps...union member...maybe...welfare recipient...could be........homo?....probably....but not that there's anytyhing wrong with that...
 
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#399
As a Christian I believe that someday I will have to stand before my maker and he will ask me what I did to serve him. He probably won't ask me how much I paid in taxes nor who I voted for. Do Christians have a responsibility to help our fellow man..... absolutely (and I probably don't do a good of a job of that as I should) but I believe through my church is the best way to do that. Alot of good people like Jimmy Carter believe through government is the best way and there is nothing unchristian about that. But to say that it is inherently unchristian to not pay higher taxes is simply wrong.
 
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#400
ENGRVOL said:
As a Christian I believe that someday I will have to stand before my maker and he will ask me what I did to serve him. He probably won't ask me how much I paid in taxes nor who I voted for. Do Christians have a responsibility to help our fellow man..... absolutely (and I probably don't do a good of a job of that as I should) but I believe through my church is the best way to do that. Alot of good people like Jimmy Carter believe through government is the best way and there is nothing unchristian about that. But to say that it is inherently unchristian to not pay higher taxes is simply wrong.
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no offense, but if you're standing before your maker, wouldn't he (or she) already know what you've done?

I'm not trying to be insulting, but what is the appeal of a belief system that requires someone to jump through so many hoops?
 
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