Hey alleged Christians ....

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MG1968 said:
no offense, but if you're standing before your maker, wouldn't he (or she) already know what you've done?

I'm not trying to be insulting, but what is the appeal of a belief system that requires someone to jump through so many hoops?
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Still less hoops than taking the scientific way through life...
 
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MG1968 said:
no offense, but if you're standing before your maker, wouldn't he (or she) already know what you've done?

I'm not trying to be insulting, but what is the appeal of a belief system that requires someone to jump through so many hoops?
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How many hoops do Christians have to jump through?

I didn't look for a religion that fit my preferences. It isn't a matter of the appeal. I believe what I believe because I feel it is the best explanation for my most important questions.
 
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RespectTradition said:
How many hoops do Christians have to jump through?

I didn't look for a religion that fit my preferences. It isn't a matter of the appeal. I believe what I believe because I feel it is the best explanation for my most important questions.
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One hoop.. We have to jump through the hoop of grace.. Once you understand the grace of Jesus Christ and God the Father then you will have a desire to understand everything else about Him and will have the faith that is needed to trust in something that we can not see and touch
 
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Uh, Obama claimed to be a christian so he can get more votes.

If a politician (in today's way of govt.) says they are a christian, it's probably because they want votes.
 
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zjcvols said:
Uh, Obama claimed to be a christian so he can get more votes.

If a politician (in today's way of govt.) says they are a christian, it's probably because they want votes.
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The Secret Muslim man theory ?
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If there's only one hoop then it must be attending Vigil...because that was a hoop I am not willing to make again. Two and half hours of cult like activities: incense, spraying holy water, and a obese priest baptizing people in a giant hot tub.

Check pls.
 
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boomer020 said:
It is the easy way out, but that's why it makes sense.. Why would man create a religion that is centered around something so simple as grace?
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Cause Paul was a spy for the romans
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lawgator1 said:
If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknolwedge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.

-- Steven Colbert
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Cite a single NT passage where Christians are commanded to take things from someone they feel has enough or too much so they can give them to the poor.

EVERY passage that addresses relief of the poor makes it a personal or church responsibility funded by the VOLUNTARY giving of Christians. Even Annanias and Sapphira were struck dead because they lied and NOT because they did not give as much as expected.

When Colbert... or you for that matter... give ALL of your disposable income to the relief of the poor... get back to me. Liberals are abject hypocrites on this topic 100% of the time.
 
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zjcvols said:
Uh, Obama claimed to be a christian so he can get more votes.

If a politician (in today's way of govt.) says they are a christian, it's probably because they want votes.
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I would MUCH rather Obama be a moderate, typical Muslim than a "Christian" adherent to black liberation theology as he is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The Bible is replete with statements that the wealthy should give up everything to help the poor.
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Personal responsibility... but to your point it is NOT a general command.

For the purpose of this topic, it is NOT your biblical responsibility nor gov't's to see that the wealthy give up everything or even anything to help the poor. If you want a justification for liberal social programs you will have to find it elsewhere. Those programs actually interfere with the church's mandate to help the poor.
 
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sjt18 said:
Personal responsibility... but to your point it is NOT a general command.

For the purpose of this topic, it is NOT your biblical responsibility nor gov't's to see that the wealthy give up everything or even anything to help the poor. If you want a justification for liberal social programs you will have to find it elsewhere. Those programs actually interfere with the church's mandate to help the poor.
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I see you are interpreting the Bible here so as to reach a certain conclusion that you'd like to reach. Yet, your interpretation is contrary to the actual words.

You are such a hypocrite.
 
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GUYS! GUYS! We only follow the words of the New Testament! (Until the Old Testament words present us an advantage.)

"I can't predict the future, I don't care about the past."
 
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#420
People choose to or to not take the words literally when it suits them best. This isn't exclusive to the Bible.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I see you are interpreting the Bible here so as to reach a certain conclusion that you'd like to reach. Yet, your interpretation is contrary to the actual words.

You are such a hypocrite.
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And your twisting personal responsibility (if you want to take the christian angle) and confusing it with wealth distribution.

If you want to fuss about the wealthy not giving their money up front to help the poor before the government forces it, fine. The government taking it from them does not make them a christian either way. So you can drop that aspect.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I see you are interpreting the Bible here so as to reach a certain conclusion that you'd like to reach. Yet, your interpretation is contrary to the actual words.

You are such a hypocrite.
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Give me the quotes.

There is no interpretation necessary. If it says what I claim it does not say then it should be a VERY simple matter for you to simply cite a passage.

Also, liberals often argue that Jesus lacked opportunity to establish certain things. That is NOT the case with taxing the rich to give to the poor.

The story of the rich young ruler provides ample opportunity to give you a proof text directly from the mouth of Jesus. However, Jesus did not tell this man with considerable authority to go back to his city, take from the rich, and assure "economic justice" for the poor. He told him to sell all that HE OWNED, give that to the poor, then become a disciple.
 
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