Hey coach worshippers...

[kiddiedoc]

Welcome to the board. :hi:

Do you have fundamental issues with the read option because it was effective for most of the day today? And Worley did actually keep it a couple times. Granted I'd like to see us be a bit less predictable with it.

Funny that some of the biggest cheers of the game came after he ran for a first down. Haven't seen that much thus far. That being said, he just isn't a mobile QB. It's really a square peg, round hole sort of thing.

 

[Freak]

It isn't so bad when he does keep it, I think he averaged around 11 a carry when he did?, but I've only seen him pull it 3 times all season so why is it even in the playbook if he is too scared to pull it or too dumb to read it correctly.

Let me ask you this, would a straight handoff bother you, like just and inside zone run?

 

[Stumbleandfumble]

Funny that some of the biggest cheers of the game came after he ran for a first down. Haven't seen that much thus far. That being said, he just isn't a mobile QB. It's really a square peg, round hole sort of thing.

I agree that when he does run it's as if he is in quick sand but damn I've seen the DE's crashing all year and there have been plenty of times where he could have gotten 10-20 yards if he pulls it.

 

[allvol9]

And starting a thread titled "Hey coach worshippers" is your answer?

What is it that is bothering you? Again, lay some specifics on us. Let's roll up our sleeves and hash it out.

Doesn't look like he wants to answer your question does it. He knew the title about coach worshippers would incite this reaction. Ha...Maybe he just needs attention.

 

[kiddiedoc]

A reasonable criticism would be why we run the option when (until a couple of plays today) there really is no "option" for Worley to keep the ball. Otherwise, it's just a really slow-to-develop run play (which negates the advantage of our big OL).

 

[oregonvol]

Bull****. It's the same thread with different wording that are yelling that Butch should be held accountable.

Don't even try to spin it.

Nobody should be happy with the performance. But acting like coaching is the only reason the team is where it's at right now is ridiculous.

Bull$#!% is right.

Where am I spinning anything?

You're spinning by saying that I said that coaching is the only reason the team is where it is right now. Where did I ever say that?

What I am saying is that the coaches should be held accountable. And I say this in response to all of the "You have to give them until 2016 to show progress!" and "If you're upset with today's performance you're crazy!" statements that are filling the board.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

It isn't so bad when he does keep it, I think he averaged around 11 a carry when he did?, but I've only seen him pull it 3 times all season so why is it even in the playbook if he is too scared to pull it or too dumb to read it correctly.

I did notice a couple of times Worley had some huge runs that he could of had if he had kept it...but again he simply handed it off. Hey bro what can we say....it's "Simply Worley" and he wouldn't have it any other way :lol:

 

[Stumbleandfumble]

Let me ask you this, would a straight handoff bother you, like just and inside zone run?

I think if we lined up in the I-formation we compete with Oregon by controlling the clock and we beat Florida.

 

[zjcvols]

Welcome to the board. :hi:

Do you have fundamental issues with the read option because it was effective for most of the day today? And Worley did actually keep it a couple times. Granted I'd like to see us be a bit less predictable with it.

The problem with a shotgun based offense/when you have a running football team is that you have very basic runs and don't add diversity.

Under center, you add different formations, different motions, different shifts, etc. You also have iso's, dives, power plays, stretches, tosses, sweeps, counters, etc.

In a shotgun offense, you basically have the read option, inside zone, outside zone, a counter play and that's it. It's also harder to get double teams in the shotgun offense. I'm not sure why, it just is. When you don't have a running QB, it makes it more difficult because the zone read becomes close to obsolete. When you have an above average offensive line, and not a great one, you are in trouble no matter what system you run. Then UT doesn't have a running back that can't make one cut and get to the second level for a huge run either (despite what we saw today).

Also, you give away which way you run with what side the TE is, especially since UT runs one TE sets almost all the time. This means no balanced line. Without a balanced line, the front seven can shift to the side with the TE without much trouble.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I agree that when he does run it's as if he is in quick sand but damn I've seen the DE's crashing all year and there have been plenty of times where he could have gotten 10-20 yards if he pulls it.

I would say that the fact that the coaching staff has (apparently) zero confidence in the freshmen has something to do with this. Worley runs, we are just one hit away from a true frosh at the helm.

 

[zjcvols]

Bull$#!% is right.

Where am I spinning anything?

You're spinning by saying that I said that coaching is the only reason the team is where it is right now. Where did I ever say that?

What I am saying is that the coaches should be held accountable. And I say this in response to all of the "You have to give them until 2016 to show progress!" and "If you're upset with today's performance you're crazy!" statements that are filling the board.

Oh, how original.

I just look at the first ten threads in the football forum, and five of the OP's said the same thing.

So, you are just saying what everyone else is saying.

 

[Freak]

Funny that some of the biggest cheers of the game came after he ran for a first down. Haven't seen that much thus far. That being said, he just isn't a mobile QB. It's really a square peg, round hole sort of thing.

Just thinking out loud here, but do you really have to be all that mobile to be effective? He seems to average 5-10 yards a carry when he chooses to run. If nobody covers the back side, and the goal of the read option is to crate a man advantage on the play side, doesn't he just have to get the 5-10 yards and fall down?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Bull$#!% is right.

Where am I spinning anything?

You're spinning by saying that I said that coaching is the only reason the team is where it is right now. Where did I ever say that?

What I am saying is that the coaches should be held accountable. And I say this in response to all of the "You have to give them until 2016 to show progress!" and "If you're upset with today's performance you're crazy!" statements that are filling the board.

Again, where has anything above been typed in this thread, and where did I call you a name?

 

[Freak]

Bull$#!% is right.

Where am I spinning anything?

You're spinning by saying that I said that coaching is the only reason the team is where it is right now. Where did I ever say that?

What I am saying is that the coaches should be held accountable. And I say this in response to all of the "You have to give them until 2016 to show progress!" and "If you're upset with today's performance you're crazy!" statements that are filling the board.

Hold them accountable for what, winning today?

 

[zjcvols]

Just thinking out loud here, but do you really have to be all that mobile to be effective? He seems to average 5-10 yards a carry when he chooses to run. If nobody covers the back side, and the goal of the read option is to crate a man advantage on the play side, doesn't he just have to get the 5-10 yards and fall down?

Yes, but eventually that surprise will wear off and he can't make guys miss.

It's working because he does it once or twice a game. If he tried to keep it ten times against UGA, it might work the first or second time, but it won't after an adjustment.

 

[mkh423]

Usc fans would be greatful with the win. Ivthink the coaching staff done great today. They gave worley plenty of attempts to get his head right trying to get ready for the rest of the schedule. He had several different play calls to throw from. He rolled out, playaction, pocket kept on the option. I think tn could have ran for 450 yards today and maybe won by 2 more touchdowns. But just running the ball will not beat georgia sc or bama. So I think he was getting game preps for worley. To all the people that say the freshman need repts. One will transfer out of the 2 if they both have redshirts left for sure so butch may just be trying to find out which one he wants to go with for the next 4 years in practice. I know there just 1 play away from having to play. But remember 1994 that turned out ok for us with trying to redshirt 2 freshman that year. How would tn be if the stewart kid was chose over manning that year and peyton would have transferred.

 

[Stumbleandfumble]

The problem with a shotgun based offense/when you have a running football team is that you have very basic runs and don't add diversity.

Under center, you add different formations, different motions, different shifts, etc. You also have iso's, dives, power plays, stretches, tosses, sweeps, counters, etc.

In a shotgun offense, you basically have the read option, inside zone, outside zone, a counter play and that's it. It's also harder to get double teams in the shotgun offense. I'm not sure why, it just is. When you don't have a running QB, it makes it more difficult because the zone read becomes close to obsolete. When you have an above average offensive line, and not a great one, you are in trouble no matter what system you run. Then UT doesn't have a running back that can't make one cut and get to the second level for a huge run either (despite what we saw today).

Also, you give away which way you run with what side the TE is, especially since UT runs one TE sets almost all the time. This means no balanced line. Without a balanced line, the front seven can shift to the side with the TE without much trouble.

Although I agree to an extent but the running game can be given some life with wr motions through the back field turning the read option into a triple read option. I feel like our playbook has less plays currently than my highschool team had when I played.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Just thinking out loud here, but do you really have to be all that mobile to be effective? He seems to average 5-10 yards a carry when he chooses to run. If nobody covers the back side, and the goal of the read option is to crate a man advantage on the play side, doesn't he just have to get the 5-10 yards and fall down?

As slow as he is, I think you have to let him keep it a few times a game. He ran for some good gains today, although it was against an inferior defense.

 

[Freak]

I think if we lined up in the I-formation we compete with Oregon by controlling the clock and we beat Florida.

The argument would be we don't have a fullback on the roster. And if people are unhappy with our line play, do we really have the horses to line up, put a tight end in motion and say "here we come, try to stop us".

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yes, but eventually that surprise will wear off and he can't make guys miss.

It's working because he does it once or twice a game. If he tried to keep it ten times against UGA, it might work the first or second time, but it won't after an adjustment.

But, at least it deflects at least one linebacker away from the RB if you keep it an "option."

 

[zjcvols]

Although I agree to an extent but the running game can be given some life with wr motions through the back field turning the read option into a triple read option. I feel like our playbook has less plays currently than my highschool team had when I played.

The coaching staff has run ZERO speed option plays. I believe they don't trust Worley on the pitch.

 

[DD4ME]

A reasonable criticism would be why we run the option when (until a couple of plays today) there really is no "option" for Worley to keep the ball. Otherwise, it's just a really slow-to-develop run play (which negates the advantage of our big OL).

This. Our scheme is not well suited for our personell. Specifically QB and he's presently the weakest link so it's more glaring because he's also the most critical.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The argument would be we don't have a fullback on the roster. And if people are unhappy with our line play, do we really have the horses to line up, put a tight end in motion and say "here we come, try to stop us".

With our passing game, I would answer that a resounding "Hell, no."

 

[Volzhsky]

no, why would my criticism or praise incite them to anything?

I'm just for stating the obvious, like when you see a poorly prepared, poorly disciplined team floundering around with an ineffective game plan, you might attribute some of that to coaching, instead of just coming up with excuses, blaming the players, calling other posters names, etc.

Most coaches who get jobs know how to win (i know recent experience at ut has shown otherwise, but trust me, that's usually the way it happens), it doesn't mean that they'll be able to conquer a bigger challenge like winning in the sec or rebuilding a program.

potd.

 

[sjt18]

I keep seeing you guys whine about all the "crazy" "irrational" fans who dare to hold the coaches accountable for the performance of the team. So, I was wondering if you geniuses could tell me what other major college football programs' fans would be happy with the coaching staff after narrowly avoiding a loss to S. Alabama?

Go on, I'm really curious.

I'm all for holding them accountable. This was an odd game in ways. Several times they had a chance to put USA away and made a bad play or had a bad break.

Those kinds of things happen. To answer your question... check USCe out. They struggled with a terrible UNC team that was thumped today by ECU. Every game so far for them has been a struggle.

UGA had a pretty crappy game vs North Texas- not a good team.

UF struggled with Toledo and didn't look great vs UK.


My point is not that the coaches are above criticism... only that most teams have games where they win without playing perfect.


The Vols in this game to me for maybe the first time this season... LOOKED like an SEC team having a bad day and not a mid-major.

Worley made some mistakes but he also made his best throws of the season and for the first time this year that I can remember he made big throws when they mattered.

I am still disappointed with the lack of adjustments on D and am confused by AJ being in on passing situations. He's a liability in coverage... Brewer is a major asset.


What are your major complaints?