Hey coach worshippers...

#76
#76
kiddiedoc said:
But, at least it deflects at least one linebacker away from the RB if you keep it an "option."
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No I agree. I don't mind it a couple times a game, I just don't think it would work on a consistent basis.

Honestly, I believe most of the calls aren't read options, they are outside zones.
 
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#77
#77
sjt18 said:
I'm all for holding them accountable. This was an odd game in ways. Several times they had a chance to put USA away and made a bad play or had a bad break.

Those kinds of things happen. To answer your question... check USCe out. They struggled with a terrible UNC team that was thumped today by ECU. Every game so far for them has been a struggle.

UGA had a pretty crappy game vs North Texas- not a good team.

UF struggled with Toledo and didn't look great vs UK.


My point is not that the coaches are above criticism... only that most teams have games where they win without playing perfect.


The Vols in this game to me for maybe the first time this season... LOOKED like an SEC team having a bad day and not a mid-major.

Worley made some mistakes but he also made his best throws of the season and for the first time this year that I can remember he made big throws when they mattered.

I am still disappointed with the lack of adjustments on D and am confused by AJ being in on passing situations. He's a liability in coverage... Brewer is a major asset.


What are your major complaints?
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He's killed us on third downs. Why not go to a third safety with Moore and Randolph deep and McNeil in the middle of the field?
 
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#78
#78
first year with Golden was brutal..second year were improvements but up and down

third year..the depth is back and the babies of the first year are grown men.

gotta go through the process
 
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#79
#79
DD4ME said:
This. Our scheme is not well suited for our personell. Specifically QB and he's presently the weakest link so it's more glaring because he's also the most critical.
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This should be required reading before starting a new thread. See how easy this is? We figured it out.
 
#80
#80
zjcvols said:
Yes, but eventually that surprise will wear off and he can't make guys miss.

It's working because he does it once or twice a game. If he tried to keep it ten times against UGA, it might work the first or second time, but it won't after an adjustment.
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But as I understand how defenses defend the zone read, if they cover Worley then that gives us a one man advantage on the play side, which I think is the point of the play. Right? Or no?
 
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DD4ME said:
This. Our scheme is not well suited for our personell. Specifically QB and he's presently the weakest link so it's more glaring because he's also the most critical.
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Worley is not the weakest link right now. He's taking all the heat but he NEEDS better receiver play. Croom is really stepping up his game. North isn't getting space and isn't always finishing his routes.

Worley MUST however get over his Steve Sax complex with the short crossing routes.
 
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#84
sjt18 said:
I'm all for holding them accountable. This was an odd game in ways. Several times they had a chance to put USA away and made a bad play or had a bad break.

Those kinds of things happen. To answer your question... check USCe out. They struggled with a terrible UNC team that was thumped today by ECU. Every game so far for them has been a struggle.

UGA had a pretty crappy game vs North Texas- not a good team.

UF struggled with Toledo and didn't look great vs UK.


My point is not that the coaches are above criticism... only that most teams have games where they win without playing perfect.


The Vols in this game to me for maybe the first time this season... LOOKED like an SEC team having a bad day and not a mid-major.

Worley made some mistakes but he also made his best throws of the season and for the first time this year that I can remember he made big throws when they mattered.

I am still disappointed with the lack of adjustments on D and am confused by AJ being in on passing situations. He's a liability in coverage... Brewer is a major asset.


What are your major complaints?
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Good summary. At times we looked like a very competent team. Against SEC defenses selling out to the run I fear we'll have trouble repeating it. A lot of what made us look good were Lane and Neal's 2 huge runs.
 
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#85
Freak said:
But as I understand how defenses defend the zone read, if they cover Worley then that gives us a one man advantage on the play side, which I think is the point of the play. Right? Or no?
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Bingo. Most of the time, the opposing D has nobody committed to our QB, which negates our advantage. Even if he can slug out 5 yards, it's a win for us, and it eventually keeps the opposition honest.
 
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#86
sjt18 said:
Worley is not the weakest link right now. He's taking all the heat but he NEEDS better receiver play. Croom is really stepping up his game. North isn't getting space and isn't always finishing his routes.

Worley MUST however get over his Steve Sax complex with the short crossing routes.
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He's the drive killer, IMO. More consistently than anyone. I'm not sure how Worley isn't the weakest link.
 
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#87
I imagine for CBJ.....watching Worley try to run the offense is like watching Lance Armstrong trying to win the Tour de France with one pedal on his bicycle.
 
#88
#88
Freak said:
But as I understand how defenses defend the zone read, if they cover Worley then that gives us a one man advantage on the play side, which I think is the point of the play. Right? Or no?
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Usually. If your offensive line blocks right. Today it worked some.

Against a team like Bama or UGA, even if they keep a man to that side, it won't work because their D-Line play is too good at this point against our line.

Also, they can just drop a safety down to spy on Worley to keep the LB on the RB, play straight man across, and make Worley beat them deep.
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley is not the weakest link right now. He's taking all the heat but he NEEDS better receiver play. Croom is really stepping up his game. North isn't getting space and isn't always finishing his routes.

Worley MUST however get over his Steve Sax complex with the short crossing routes.
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When he has time, he's an okay QB.

The problem is in any pass rush, whatsoever, he crumbles. His three picks, two in the endzone, made this a game honestly.
 
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#90
kiddiedoc said:
But, at least it deflects at least one linebacker away from the RB if you keep it an "option."
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And if you can get that linebacker biting on the QB pulling then that opens up the play action to the flats when the QB pulls left and the line back bites. Also people trying to put the bad QB play on the young receivers should go out and try to catch a ball only a Star playing on an NFL roster could catch consistently then get back to me.
 
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#92
oregonvol said:
Odd, I didn't see your objection to the For you simpletons thread
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What's odd is I've asked you multiple times for specifics. You have your thread and you have all of our attention. The floor is yours. Tell us what's bothering you about this team besides you don't want to wait until 2016 to see results. We're listening. There no name calling in this thread and no one is trying to silence your criticism. Go.
 
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#93
#93
zjcvols said:
When he has time, he's an okay QB.

The problem is in any pass rush, whatsoever, he crumbles. His three picks, two in the endzone, made this a game honestly.
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He had a mountain of time in that first half. Matt Simms would have thought he won the lottery today.
 
#95
#95
kiddiedoc said:
Bingo. Most of the time, the opposing D has nobody committed to our QB, which negates our advantage. Even if he can slug out 5 yards, it's a win for us, and it eventually keeps the opposition honest.
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Exactly. And that's why I don't think it's imperative that we have Donavon McNabb (sorry, first person to pop into my head) at quarterback for it to be effective. Would it help? Sure.
 
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#96
zjcvols said:
Usually. If your offensive line blocks right. Today it worked some.

Against a team like Bama or UGA, even if they keep a man to that side, it won't work because their D-Line play is too good at this point against our line.

Also, they can just drop a safety down to spy on Worley to keep the LB on the RB, play straight man across, and make Worley beat them deep.
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The point is a mismatch should be created somewhere. Whether or not we have a line, backs, or a quarterback who can take advantage is a different story. We have to win man on man battles, and if we don't it really doesn't matter what offense we run
 
#97
#97
Freak said:
Exactly. And that's why I don't think it's imperative that we have Donavon McNabb (sorry, first person to pop into my head) at quarterback for it to be effective. Would it help? Sure.
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Which leads some sensible fans to wonder why we can't get a mobile QB in the game. The only answer I can come up with is that the freshmen just can't run the offense yet. There's no way they have a lesser arm.
 
#98
#98
Freak said:
Exactly. And that's why I don't think it's imperative that we have Donavon McNabb (sorry, first person to pop into my head) at quarterback for it to be effective. Would it help? Sure.
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Honestly I don't see how starting Dobbs would be any worse than Worley and from the highlights I have watched of Dobbs he comes from a read option offense so he already understands it to an extent.
 
#99
#99
Stumbleandfumble said:
And if you can get that linebacker biting on the QB pulling then that opens up the play action to the flats when the QB pulls left and the line back bites. Also people trying to put the bad QB play on the young receivers should go out and try to catch a ball only a Star playing on an NFL roster could catch consistently then get back to me.
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I think that's a fair point about play action.
 
#100
#100
Freak said:
Exactly. And that's why I don't think it's imperative that we have Donavon McNabb (sorry, first person to pop into my head) at quarterback for it to be effective. Would it help? Sure.
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Or South Alabama's a Gamecock QB reject....he had some wheels and balls! Worley could use that....wheels............and some balls :dunno:
 
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