Holy Trinity Discussion

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#251
How did a discussion of the Great Mystery that is the Trinity become a digression into hair style, hair care products, and comparative melanin levels?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Been there and seen them in person. They look just like the Egyptian tour guides.

Evidence supported by science. Not you seeing what you want to see in spite of the overwhelming evidence
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Let me guess you probably saw something like this front and center at the Egyptian museum you visited:

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These statues are called "The Seated Scribe". They're some of the most famous statues in modern Egypt. You'll usually see them front and center at any museum you go to. These statues are so important to the current Egyptians that they even have it on their currency.

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Who are these guys you might ask? Well nobody knows. They're unnamed scribes. We don't even know if they're native Egyptians or people just passing through. What we do know is that they're definitely not Pharaohs or from any known royal lineage. So why are they so famous in modern Egypt? Well for the reason you pointed out. Its because they resemble modern Egyptians more than they do black Africans. But you know who doesn't resemble the modern Egyptians?

This guy:

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Now who is this dreadlocked rasta looking guy you might ask? Well its Pharaoh Amenemhat III. An actual ruler of Ancient Egypt.
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This statue of him is usually is not front and center at every museum. He's also not on any currency. Why? Because he looks too obviously black. The bad thing for the modern Egyptians is the rulers of Ancient Egypt are the ones who looked clearly black while it's the random nobodies like these seated scribes that looked Arab. Which is why Egyptian museums have this bad habit of putting statues of irrelevant and unknown people front and center while statues of important Kings and Queens are hidden in the back.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You still never gave me your evidence that Jesus was black as you claimed
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Was Jesus not a Hebrew or wasn't he? My argument was that since the Ancient Egyptians and Hebrews could be confused as one another and since we can clearly see the Ancient Egyptians were black. Then by extension that made the Ancient Hebrew people black. And since Jesus was a Hebrew it stands to reason he was black. By the way this is why the Black Madonna and Child imagery depicting a black Jesus and Mary were so popular in early Christianity.
 
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GAVol said:
This is what came through on my end.

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Well I'm glad yall can see. Those images are too compelling not to be seen. I can post endless images of modern Africans looking just like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves. You'll not find any non-black populations that look like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Was Jesus not a Hebrew or wasn't he? My argument was that since the Ancient Egyptians and Hebrews could be confused as one another and since we can clearly see the Ancient Egyptians were black. Then by extension that made the Ancient Hebrew people black. And since Jesus was a Hebrew it stands to reason he was black. By the way this is why the Black Madonna and Child imagery depicting a black Jesus and Mary were so popular in early Christianity.
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Lmfao thanks. That’s an impressive number of false statements. Start with the last. What’s your evidence that Black Madonna was popular in early Christianity
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Because it was never about that. It was a way to take a shot at Christian denominations
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I didn’t quite see the relevant parts I guess. But then again, I thought all Christian denominations pretty well saw the Trinity the same way. I had always thought it was one of the least controversial things in the Church, at least since around 400 to 500 AD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Let me guess you probably saw something like this front and center at the Egyptian museum you visited:

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These statues are called "The Seated Scribe". They're some of the most famous statues in modern Egypt. You'll usually see them front and center at any museum you go to. These start are so important to the current Egyptians that they even have it on their currency.

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Who are these guys you might ask? Well nobody knows. They're unnamed scribes. We don't even know if they're native Egyptians or people just passing through. What we do know is that they're definitely not Pharaohs or from any knows royal lineage. So why are they so famous in modern Egypt? Well for the reason you pointed out. Its because they resemble modern Egyptians more than they do black Africans. But you know who doesn't resemble the modern Egyptians?

This guy:

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Now who is this dreadlocked rasta looking guy you might ask? Well its Pharaoh Amenemhat III. An actual ruler of Ancient Egypt.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Amenemhat III - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

This statue of him is usually is not front and center at every museum. He's also not on any currency. Why? Because he looks to obviously black. The bad thing for the modern Egyptians is the rulers of Ancient Egypt are the ones who looked clearly black while it's the random nobodies like these seated scribes that looked Arab. Which is why Egyptian museums have this bad habit of putting statues of irrelevant and unknown people front and center while statues of important Kings and Queens are hidden in the back.
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What I saw was Egyptians standing next to the walls in the temple looking just like the drawings on the wall.

You should go there and take a tour then see what a fool you are.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I didn’t quite see the relevant parts I guess. But then again, I thought all Christian denominations pretty well saw the Trinity the same way. I had always thought it was one of the least controversial things in the Church, at least since around 400 to 500 AD.
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The problem with most Christian’s is they have so much wrong and act so arrogant about it.
The trinity concept being a late addition should be a clue but it never is.
The warning in Mathew to all believers should give every Christian pause but it never does.


The way is narrow and very few find it. With billions of people claiming to be Christians those numbers don’t add up.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
What I saw was Egyptians standing next to the walls in the temple looking just like the drawings on the wall.

You should go there and take a tour then see what a fool you are.
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Which walls and where? It's easy to make ambiguous statements that can't be challenged or corroborated. Please state the name of the temple and wall so I can look it up on Google and see if what you're saying is true or if you're just talking out your behind. Cause the reality is this. The vast majority of Ancient Egyptian art looks like this.

This is from the temple of Queen Hatshepsut (one of the few female Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt):

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This is what the actual wall paintings from an ancient temple looks like. A lot of time you'll see reconstructions on the internet that look like they're drawn on paper rather than actual images like this which are from the actual walls of a temple that look faded and old.

And excuse me but modern Arab Egyptians don't look like this. They especially don't have hair like the hair depicted on the walls. But you know who looks like this? Black Africans. In particular those from East Africa. Here are pictures of modern day East Africans who look just like the wall paintings from the temple of Hatshepsut.

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You can't find Arab Egyptians who look like the way the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves on the actual walls of their temples. But you can find lots of Africans living today in East Africa who still dress and style their hair the way the Ancient Egyptians did.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Be specific. You stated this was popular in “early Christianity”. I see no such claim on the wiki article you sent. Where does it state the age of these of their connection to “early Christianity”
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The fool can't be specific, because then he would actually be forced to come to terms with the gulf between fact and his crackpot notions.

I have strong doubts that he even read the Wikipedia entry to which he linked, because there's nothing in it that definitively or substantively supports his position. More of his usual "throw dung at a wall until something sticks" m.o.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Be specific. You stated this was popular in “early Christianity”. I see no such claim on the wiki article you sent. Where does it state the age of these of their connection to “early Christianity”
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I guess I should have been more specific in what I meant. I meant earlier Christianity compared to the modern depiction of Jesus as a white man and the white Mary. The images of the Black Madonna and Child go back to the 13th century. Compared to the image of Jesus we're familiar with today that came about in the 1940s.

So the image of Jesus as a black child goes back to the 13th century while him being white is more recent.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess I should have been more specific in what I meant. I meant earlier Christianity compared to the modern depiction of Jesus as a white man and the white Mary. The images of the Black Madonna and Child go back to the 13th century. Compared to the image of Jesus we're familiar with today that came about in the 1940s.

So the image of Jesus as a black child goes back to the 13th century while him being white is more recent.
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So that’s not early Christianity? Rather that’s 1200 years after the fact?

Clearly it must be an accurate depiction. And let’s ignore much earlier depictions such as The Good Shepard from around 300 BC.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So that’s not early Christianity? Rather that’s 1200 years after the fact?

Clearly it must be an accurate depiction. And let’s ignore much earlier depictions such as The Good Shepard from around 200 BC.
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Early compared to the white Jesus we're used to today. But you're correct not early Christianity compared to the entire history of Christianity.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Early compared to the white Jesus we're used to today. But you're correct not early Christianity compared to the entire history of Christianity.
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So we agree early Christian’s did not depict Christ as black? Yet, you still claim he’s black?
 
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tbh said:
The fool can't be specific, because then he would actually be forced to come to terms with the gulf between fact and his crackpot notions.

I have strong doubts that he even read the Wikipedia entry to which he linked, because there's nothing in it that definitively or substantively supports his position. More of his usual "throw dung at a wall until something sticks" m.o.
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He keeps posting pictures from the walls of tombs that are of red and brown people, who look just like the Egyptians running the tours and then posting random black people who kinda look similar. While ignoring the scientific evidence that conclusively proves he’s wrong.

It’s kinda sad actually.
 
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#272
I mean seriously
Tell me this doesn’t look like the people on the walls of the tombs and temples. When you go on the tours they have locals dressed as the ancients. They look just like the depictions and they are not black.
DNA says they are just under 8% African and the ancient Egyptians were even less.
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Orangeslice13 said:
The problem with most Christian’s is they have so much wrong and act so arrogant about it.
The trinity concept being a late addition should be a clue but it never is.
The warning in Mathew to all believers should give every Christian pause but it never does.


The way is narrow and very few find it. With billions of people claiming to be Christians those numbers don’t add up.
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“Late Addition”?
The Athanasian Creed was adopted in 381 as a statement against the Arian heresy. It is one of the earliest core doctrines in all of Christianity
 
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#275
You guys should probably call yourselfs “paulitheist” because you say you follow Jesus but ignore most of his teachings in favor of Paul who you take out of context
 
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