Hopson passing on NBA

#51
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tigervol9802 said:
Damnit.

I was hoping we'd be rid of his ovrrated ass and some team in Europe would have to put up with him.

The big winner here? Vincent Yarbrough, as he is soon to no longer be the biggest bust to ever play at UT.
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Smart. Who would want the guy who lead the most successful UT team ever in scoring going into the tournament to return?

"Bust" Hopson was better than every single player we have returning for next year. I'd hate to have a guy like that come back, especially on the off-chance that he "busts" less.

TennNC said:
i'm much happier that he's coming back. we can use scotty for sure.
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Yes, we can. I really don't see the other side, and I have a bit of a hard time discussing it without violating board rules.

I'll be the first to admit that Scotty doesn't always bring all that he has. He has a tendency to slip into timidity and often seems to lack focus. I also don't pretend to be able to evaluate NBA success. But he is a good college player, the best we have returning. He was better this year than he was last. He'll be better next year than he is now.
 
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cotton said:
Smart. Who would want the guy who lead the most successful UT team ever in scoring going into the tournament to return?

"Underachieving" Hopson was better than every single player we have returning for next year. I'd hate to have a guy like that come back, especially on the off-chance that he "underachieves" less.



Yes, we can. I really don't see the other side, and I have a bit of a hard time discussing it without violating board rules.

I'll be the first to admit that Scotty doesn't always bring all that he has. He has a tendency to slip into timidity and often seems to lack focus. I also don't pretend to be able to evaluate NBA success. But he is a good college player, the best we have returning. He was better this year than he was last. He'll be better next year than he is now.
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I would argue that Brian Williams was much more crucial to the tourney run than was Hopson. I would also argue that by the end of the year, Cam Tatum was solidly outplaying Hopson every game.
 
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cotton said:
"Underachieving" Hopson was better than every single player we have returning for next year.
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In the Valley of the Blind, the one eyed man is king. If Hopson is the best player on the team next year, Tobias Harris will have been a massive bust and Tennessee will be thankful the 'AA field is at 96.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I would argue that Brian Williams was much more crucial to the tourney run than was Hopson. I would also argue that by the end of the year, Cam Tatum was solidly outplaying Hopson every game.
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Williams was crucial to the tourney run. Tatum was not outplaying Hopson.

hatvol96 said:
In the Valley of the Blind, the one eyed man is king. If Hopson is the best player on the team next year, Tobias Harris will have been a massive bust and Tennessee will be thankful the 'AA field is at 96.
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Debatable as to whether Hopson's emergence as the best player will spell doom for the Vols--I'd like to think there is a scenario where the Jr. guard steps it up to all-conference level--but it is beside the point. The '11 Vols will be better with Scotty in the line-up than they will without him.
 
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cotton said:
Williams was crucial to the tourney run. Tatum was not outplaying Hopson.



Debatable as to whether Hopson's emergence as the best player will spell doom for the Vols--I'd like to think there is a scenario where the Jr. guard steps it up to all-conference level--but it is beside the point. The '11 Vols will be better with Scotty in the line-up than they will without him.
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If your best player is a timid, petulant child, you can be assured it's not a good thing. Hopson has been exactly what I was told he would be by guys with a gaggle of Final Four appearances between them. He's a defensively challenged version of Vincent Yarbrough.
 
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cotton said:
Williams was crucial to the tourney run. Tatum was not outplaying Hopson.



Debatable as to whether Hopson's emergence as the best player will spell doom for the Vols--I'd like to think there is a scenario where the Jr. guard steps it up to all-conference level--but it is beside the point. The '11 Vols will be better with Scotty in the line-up than they will without him.
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That's definitely debatable. I certainly would have rather had Tatum in the game over Hopson from the SEC Tourney on. Last 7 games, Hopson averaged 8 pts and averaged 27 minutes per game. Tatum averaged 7 pts and averaged 18 minutes per game.

If Tatum was playing the minutes Hopson was, I guarantee he averages more points.
 
#57
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hatvol96 said:
If your best player is a timid, petulant child, you can be assured it's not a good thing. Hopson has been exactly what I was told he would be by guys with a gaggle of Final Four appearances between them. He's a defensively challenged version of Vincent Yarbrough.
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That may all be true. Just for the sake of argument, though, Vincent Yarbrough's teams were also better when he was on the court, children do have the potential to grow up, and, although I don't know the exact roster of the Final Four coaches to whom you refer, I do know a gaggle of guys with regional championship trophies in their offices who recruited the hell out of the timid petulant. What are the chances our lists overlap?

LawVol13 said:
If Tatum was playing the minutes Hopson was, I guarantee he averages more points.
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If that is so easy to see, I wonder why he wasn't.
 
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cotton said:
That may all be true. Just for the sake of argument, though, Vincent Yarbrough's teams were also better when he was on the court, children do have the potential to grow up, and, although I don't know the exact roster of the Final Four coaches to whom you refer, I do know a gaggle of guys with regional championship trophies in their offices who recruited the hell out of the timid petulant. What are the chances our lists overlap?



If that is so easy to see, I wonder why he wasn't.
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It was a mistake that Tatum wasn't getting more minutes at the end of the year than Hopson, imo. If he gets 10 more minutes a game, there's probably a good chance he scores 2 pts. Therefore, he would average more than Hopson.
 
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cotton said:
What are the chances our lists overlap?
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Not good. Two of the three guys I'm talking about would have fired any assistant who recommended recruiting a guy that passive. The other one had multiple better option on his roster and on the hook when Hopson was a senior.
 
#60
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Orangekush423 said:
Yeh, he gives 5% effort. Cmon buddy, if you don't have anything of value to post, don't bother. Pearl (90% of coaches) wouldn't play a kid that didn't try, PERIOD. Find something else to whine and moan ab.
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LOL @ defending hopson's effort

the kid is so athletic and has so much potential but he
sulks all over the court if he doesn't hit his shots

bruce pearl is a great coach, but i would have had tatum
starting over hopson down the stretch IMO
 
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hatvol96 said:
I bet Pearl asks himself that question every time he watches the last eight minutes of the Michigan State game.
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Yep, there's no reason why Tatum only gets 12 minutes that game and Hopson gets 33.

That was my only criticism of Pearl through the tourney run. I simply did not understand it.
 
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Effort and attitude are different things. Everyone's assuming that Hopson's bad attitude means he shows no effort. I disagree. I think he just gets rattled easily. That's evidence of a lack of mental toughness, but it's not evidence of not trying.

Either way, we should all hope that he's more mentally tough next year. If he is, he will (finally) be all-SEC, I have no doubt.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yep, there's no reason why Tatum only gets 12 minutes that game and Hopson gets 33.

That was my only criticism of Pearl through the tourney run. I simply did not understand it.
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Tatum was better offensively, but he loses focus on D even more easily than Hops does. That said, I still think a more even distribution would've been apt.
 
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Incipient said:
Tatum was better offensively, but he loses focus on D even more easily than Hops does. That said, I still think a more even distribution would've been apt.
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Yeah, Hopson getting completely lost on the Summers 3 that knocked UT out of the 'AAs was a portrait of focus.
 
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Incipient said:
Tatum was better offensively, but he loses focus on D even more easily than Hops does. That said, I still think a more even distribution would've been apt.
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Tatum is the better defensive player. I don't think it's close.
 
#72
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Hopson getting completely lost on the Summers 3 that knocked UT out of the 'AAs was a portrait of focus.
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There were some young kids sitting in front of me in St. Louis when Hopson decided to not even attempt to contest that shot. I believe I scarred them for life.
 
#73
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LawVol13 said:
There were some young kids sitting in front of me in St. Louis when Hopson decided to not even attempt to contest that shot. I believe I scarred them for life.
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Contest it? Hell, the ball was halfway to the basket before he figured out who had it.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Contest it? Hell, the ball was halfway to the basket before he figured out who had it.
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Well, my seats were pretty high; from my vantage point, it looked as if he just consciously chose not to contest it. But getting lost on a crucial possession in the elite eight is just as bad. It was just utterly disgusting.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Yeh bc a coach with a .750+ winning % has been playing a kid that gives less than half effort. Get real. The kid has struggled, doesn't mean he isn't trying.
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I agree. If he wasn't giving effort then CBP wouldn't have played him at all. He just needs that confidence back and he will be a star.
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