Hot Take on Pruitt and rebuilding

[BruinVol]

Wanting to win now is a great trait and one every coach should have.

Letting that desire cloud judgement on what is best for the long term is a problem.

That may not be happening but from my seat it is entirely reasonable to discuss that possibility.

 

[checkerboards09]

Wrong. That job will be Dabo’s should he choose to leave Clemson. I truly believe that Dabo and Pruitt want to build their own legacies without being forever known as “the guy that replaced Saban”.

I’m leaning this way as well. CJP seems like he wants to be his own man, so I hope he’s happy here and stays here until he retires with multiple SEC and NC’s.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Now I know why lions eat their young...Good lord opie, please hit yourself in the face with a rubber mallet, repeatedly.

Lions typically gorge themselves upon their young. It's a key to species survival.

 

[Matt2496]

Ok let's make this clear I like Pruitt and think he is a great fit with one big IF and that is IF he doesn't bolt for Bama in the next few years.

Now with that said I think what we are seeing now with how he is recruiting and burning spots for the 2019 class with grad transfers and this latest juco commit is a coach that is prioritizing a long shot at winning now over Buiding for the future.

Imo these spots we keep burning for 2019 are showing a short sided approach to the rebuilding process. I think we need to be saving spots so that the 2019 class can begin to get us back on track.


Now for the hot take part but I am starting to think there may be some truth to this. Pruitt knows Saban is retiring in a few years and he is desperately trying to win an extra game or two this first year or two so that he puts himself into a better spot to go home. He doesn't really care about taking the approach of rebuilding this thing for the long haul which saving spots for later classes requires.

 

[butchna]

Wanting to win now is a great trait and one every coach should have.

Letting that desire cloud judgement on what is best for the long term is a problem.

That may not be happening but from my seat it is entirely reasonable to discuss that possibility.

So why’d you convolute your whole thread with this “Pruitt wins 7 and he’s Saban’s successor” junk?

 

[BruinVol]

So why’d you convolute your whole thread with this “Pruitt wins 7 and he’s Saban’s successor” junk?

Because it's possible.

Look there are some signs he might be being over zealous to try and win immediately at the cost of hurting the future of recruiting with the high risk players he is taking now. If that is the case I don't know the motives but I do feel certain he woud love to be the coach at Alabama.

 

[butchna]

Because it's possible.

Look there are some signs he might be being over zealous to win now at the cost of hurting the future of recruiting with the high risk players he is taking now. If that is the case I don't know the motives but I do feel certain he woud love to be the coach at Alabama.

So would 98% of the coaching population. The 7 game winners have been automatically eliminated.

 

[jeff1vol]

I hope Dooley doesn't bolt for UVA or UGA!!!

Saw How that turned out.

I'll worry about it when it happens.

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[BruinVol]

So would 98% of the coaching population. The 7 game winners have been automatically eliminated.

Crazy how a year changes things. This time a year ago using your criteria Kirby was eliminated.

 

[butchna]

Crazy how a year changes things. This time a year ago using your criteria Kirby was eliminated.

Was he hired or something?

 

[UGADawg4Life]

Smart woud be 2 but isn't reasonable imo being a Georgia grad.

Kirby wants to do at his alma mater what Saban's done at Bama. Don't know that it's possible but I believe that it's his ultimate goal. Pruitt's pedigree is more ingrained at Bama, but they won't hire him if he's not successful at UT. Which would make for a strange situation.

 

[tomq_123]

Dooley was headed to UGA. Butch was headed to Michigan. Honestly, I can't wait for the day we have a head coach good enough for another school, let alone Bama to come after them.

 

[BruinVol]

Dooley was headed to UGA. Butch was headed to Michigan. Honestly, I can't wait for the day we have a head coach good enough for another school, let alone Bama to come after them.

We had one fairly recently. He was hired after 6 losses and one season

 

[jakez4ut]

Ok let's make this clear I like Pruitt and think he is a great fit with one big IF and that is IF he doesn't bolt for Bama in the next few years.

Now with that said I think what we are seeing now with how he is recruiting and burning spots for the 2019 class with grad transfers and this latest juco commit is a coach that is prioritizing a long shot at winning now over Buiding for the future.

Imo these spots we keep burning for 2019 are showing a short sided approach to the rebuilding process. I think we need to be saving spots so that the 2019 class can begin to get us back on track.


Now for the hot take part but I am starting to think there may be some truth to this. Pruitt knows Saban is retiring in a few years and he is desperately trying to win an extra game or two this first year or two so that he puts himself into a better spot to go home. He doesn't really care about taking the approach of rebuilding this thing for the long haul which saving spots for later classes requires.

So it does take 6 years to build c'ship program?

I'm confused. The last guy was taking too long, now this guy is trying to go too fast.

😳

 

[butchna]

We had one fairly recently. He was hired after 6 losses and one season

That was with the likes of Mike Riley, Jeff Fisher and Jack Del Rio turning USC down after Carroll bailed (and probation/sanctions bearing down). They don’t even get an INTERVIEW at Bama.

 

[BruinVol]

So it does take 6 years to build c'ship program?

I'm confused. The last guy was taking too long, now this guy is trying to go too fast.

😳

The last coached proved that winning 8 games wasnt finishing the job. Pruitt must build this thing higher than that and taking unsuccessful grad transfers and unsigned juco kids after signing day isn't going to achieve that.

Again I'd rather win 6 this year as opposed to 7 if it meant years 3 and 4 look more promising

 

[butchna]

The last coached proved that winning 8 games was finishing the job. Pruitt must build this thing higher than that and taking unsuccessful grad transfers and unsigned juco kids after signing day isn't going to achieve that.

Again I'd rather win 6 this year as opposed to 7 if it meant years 3 and 4 look more promising

Good news is since you’ve condemned this approach, no way Bama touches him.

 

[gunner]

I truly hope that we are fighting to keep him in 3 to 5 years. That will mean that we are back on track. If he has UT going well not sure why i would give that up to follow a legend. Usually does not work out too well.

Correct! You don’t ever want to be the guy after “the guy”.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Sure. I expect us to go 7-5 this season and get little to no help from our last few roster additions

This isn't a good analysis of the situation. We'll probably get contribution from 2/3 in 2018. One of the additions projects to be a sure contributor. One is a calculated risk who probably will end up seeing action. The JUCO CB has 3 years to play, so taking him isn't all that different from adding a blueshirt out of HS. He'll have time to be developed.



London will likely split reps with Chandler at RB. Sure contributor.


Chryst will end up either starting over JG or being the guy who goes in when/if our OL can't keep JG healthy. Likely contributor. Bit of a risk, but if JG gets hurt halfway through the season, I'd rather Chryst be managing the game for us than Will McBride.


The DB probably won't contribute much in 2018. But he'll have time to be developed and IMO it's somewhat likely we see a couple DBs on the roster transfer before the season starts, so this is insurance that we'll have enough bodies at DB this fall and next spring.


Edit: Yes, there is some risk involved with JUCOs and grad transfers, but taking these 3 guys won't hurt us down the road too much. I'd rather see Pruitt take this approach to win now than use the Butch method of signing 60+ guys in 2 years and clogging the 2 deep with guys who won't make much of an impact.

 

[lilesrt]

Wrong. There are influential boosters at Alabama who hold it against Pruitt because he left for a main rival. There was a write up about that a couple of months ago. Regardless, Sweeney will be their first pick and he won't turn them down.

Why would Dabo leave Clemson to follow in Nick Saban’s footsteps? Why would any coach want to?

 

[BruinVol]

This isn't a good analysis of the situation. We'll probably get contribution from 2/3 in 2018. One of the additions projects to be a sure contributor. One is a calculated risk who probably will end up seeing action. The JUCO CB has 3 years to play, so taking him isn't all that different from adding a blueshirt out of HS. He'll have time to be developed.



London will likely split reps with Chandler at RB. Sure contributor.


Chryst will end up either starting over JG or being the guy who goes in when/if our OL can't keep JG healthy. Likely contributor. Bit of a risk, but if JG gets hurt halfway through the season, I'd rather Chryst be managing the game for us than Will McBride.


The DB probably won't contribute much in 2018. But he'll have time to be developed and IMO it's somewhat likely we see a couple DBs on the roster transfer before the season starts, so this is insurance that we'll have enough bodies at DB this fall and next spring.


Edit: Yes, there is some risk involved with JUCOs and grad transfers, but taking these 3 guys won't hurt us down the road too much. I'd rather see Pruitt take this approach to win now than use the Butch method of signing 60+ guys in 2 years and clogging the 2 deep with guys who won't make much of an impact.

I don't doubt some or most of those guys mentioned play but will it result in more wins?

Imo at most it means 1 more win but that is unlikely and that isn't enough of a boost to make it worth it.

I have lost count to be honest. We now have 3 grad transfers and 3 more blue shirts by my count. How many of those can count toward the 18 class?

 

[dcm3w]

The best recruiting tool is winning.

This whole slow rebuilding thing is an excuse factory.
Out with the old thought patterns.

Want to win every game.

It really is and besides two 9 win seasons, we haven't had that to offer a recruit.

Slow building works but it doesn't work if it's constantly being restarted.

People are overreacting to the few spots we've given up to grad transfers. We take players all the time that won't ever see the field.

 

[rdavis007]

UGA is much easier to recruit than Tennessee. Georgia is a top 5 state for recruits, and it's not like Richt was recruiting horribly. Tennessee has had a decade or more of mediocrity. Dooley and Butch recruited OK, but did very little with the recruits they got.

Kirby was the prodigal son for Ga. He could have went 0-11 and Georgia fans would have believed he can win the NC in year two. Same with recruits, he is a Georgia homer.

 

[dcm3w]

I don't believe this for a second.

3 things have to happen for Pruitt to go to Bama after year 1.

1) Saban quits

2) Dabo says no

3) Pruitt has a decent year here. 6 or 7 wins does it

Besides ties to Bama...there are much more experienced qualified coaches that Bama would look at first before going to Pruitt Unless he makes us a serious competitor.

 

[NEVolFan]

Ok let's make this clear I like Pruitt and think he is a great fit with one big IF and that is IF he doesn't bolt for Bama in the next few years.

Now with that said I think what we are seeing now with how he is recruiting and burning spots for the 2019 class with grad transfers and this latest juco commit is a coach that is prioritizing a long shot at winning now over Buiding for the future.

Imo these spots we keep burning for 2019 are showing a short sided approach to the rebuilding process. I think we need to be saving spots so that the 2019 class can begin to get us back on track.


Now for the hot take part but I am starting to think there may be some truth to this. Pruitt knows Saban is retiring in a few years and he is desperately trying to win an extra game or two this first year or two so that he puts himself into a better spot to go home. He doesn't really care about taking the approach of rebuilding this thing for the long haul which saving spots for later classes requires.