How do the Vols want the rest of the SEC to play out?

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GatorsGators said:
Texas or Northwestern. Again, Alabama is a 10 seed, so they're ahead of Washington, Xavier, Connecticut, Northwestern, Miami, and Texas in his bracket. Alabama is fine; I don't understand where you're getting any of this from.
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ok watch and see.

if they lose tonight they will be either in the last 4 in or first 4 out category.

follow that game up with a loss to miss st and they wouldnt be in either category.

obviously if they continue to win it is pointless
 
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currently according to matrix(which im not the biggest fan of because they take brackets from some nobdies) but for arguements sake, they are the last 10 seed right now.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
if they dont put weight on your last 10 then why do they say they do?

and also, why wouldnt have alabamas team last year not got in?

they had a better resume than quite a few teams that made it in, but those teams all finished stronger than bama.
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I never said they did...

They look at it, but it's not a stat of emphasis. For example, Georgia went 5-5 in their last 10 and got in easily.

And, no, Alabama's resume last year was NOT better than a lot of teams who got in. Most thought they were actually a better team, so yeah. They went 12-4 in SEC play and still had an RPI in the 70s. That should tell you all you need to know about their out of conference resume.

EDIT: Misunderstood ya'. They don't say they do. It's a stat they throw out there, but it's not a stat of emphasis. The NCAA has made it clear over the past couple of years that games in November are weighted just as heavily as games in February.
 
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GatorsGators said:
I never said they did...

They look at it, but it's not a stat of emphasis. For example, Georgia went 5-5 in their last 10 and got in easily.

And, no, Alabama's resume last year was NOT better than a lot of teams who got in. Most thought they were actually a better team, so yeah. They went 12-4 in SEC play and still had an RPI in the 70s. That should tell you all you need to know about their out of conference resume.

EDIT: Misunderstood ya'. They don't say they do. It's a stat they throw out there, but it's not a stat of emphasis. The NCAA has made it clear over the past couple of years that games in November are weighted just as heavily as games in February.
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USC resume wasnt as good similar rpi, worse record.

thats just one.

Edit: from hearing people talk that use to be on the committee they say very strongly that they do. the committee may not admit to it, but people say they do, and certain teams that have made it over other teams make it seem true.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
so you agree then that bama is the last #10? which in effect means with a loss tonight and they will be out?
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Just because they'd be the last #10 in doesn't mean they'd drop below the Miami's and Northwestern's of the world with a loss. They'd drop maybe one or two slots, but a road loss to Arkansas isn't very damaging. So, I think they'd drop to a #11 with a loss tonight... Not out.
 
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all my point was, was that with a loss tonight bama will most likely be on the bubble.

and seeing that they are the last 10 seed right now, i would fully expect that a loss to arky would put them right on the edge.

its jmo, and there's only one way to find out. i dont think to say that they are safely in is accurate though, as i said 2 more losses in the next 4 and i think they will be bubble team, on the outside looking in.
 
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Opening the curtain on NCAA selections - College Basketball - Rivals.com

• If you’re hot … so what? – Before last week I’d always heard that teams who finish the regular season on a high note were looked upon more favorably by the committee. Not true. One of the first things we were told last week was that a school’s results in its final 10-12 games aren’t any more important than the scores from its first 10-12 games.

“It can be visually deceptive,” said David Worlock, the NCAA’s Associate Director for the Division I Men’s Basketball Championship. “We want basketball to be on people’s radar in November. Those games that you see in November are all important games.”
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That enough evidence for you that they DON'T look at Last 10 games?
 
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GatorsGators said:
Opening the curtain on NCAA selections - College Basketball - Rivals.com



That enough evidence for you that they DON'T look at Last 10 games?
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im telling you what i have heard in an interview from a few different former committee members, and read.

they said that although the committee says they dont put any extra weight on the last 10 games, when they are behind closed doors, they absolutely do.

you can provide documentation, and you can have your opinion and i wont fault you for either, but i have my opinion off of my own personal experience as well and it's what i choose to believe.

they gave quite a few examples and i really wish i could remember what they were because it was really glaring that the only difference between the team that got in and the one that didnt was final 10 games.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
all my point was, was that with a loss tonight bama will most likely be on the bubble.

and seeing that they are the last 10 seed right now, i would fully expect that a loss to arky would put them right on the edge.

its jmo, and there's only one way to find out. i dont think to say that they are safely in is accurate though, as i said 2 more losses in the next 4 and i think they will be bubble team, on the outside looking in.
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I agree, there is only one way to know. But, a couple of games doesn't make their entire body of work any less credible. They still have a MUCH better resume than the Northwestern's and Miami's of the world, and two losses isn't going to change that.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
im telling you what i have heard in an interview from a few different former committee members, and read.

they said that although the committee says they dont put any extra weight on the last 10 games, when they are behind closed doors, they absolutely do.

you can provide documentation, and you can have your opinion and i wont fault you for either, but i have my opinion off of my own personal experience as well and it's what i choose to believe.

they gave quite a few examples and i really wish i could remember what they were because it was really glaring that the only difference between the team that got in and the one that didnt was final 10 games.
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The key word: former committee members. They used it up until about the 2008-09 season. That's why Arizona made it over Auburn that year. That's why Georgia made it over Alabama last year. It's why Alabama will make it over South Florida this year.

It's not an opinion. It's what the committee has said the past couple of years, which I've backed up with quotes from the NCAA themselves. They put it out their pretty blatantly. November matters as much as February.
 
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GatorsGators said:
I agree, there is only one way to know. But, a couple of games doesn't make their entire body of work any less credible. They still have a MUCH better resume than the Northwestern's and Miami's of the world, and two losses isn't going to change that.
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give bama 2 losses and give miami, northwestern, miss st, seton hall, byu, washington, xavier, cincy and texas 4 wins and 0 losses and it isnt gonna matter what bama body of work is or what their resume WAS.

see my point?

they are in right now, yes. BUT you start losing and you dont know what other teams are gonna do. your saying miami finishes 4-0 and bama finishes 2-2 and bama has a clearly better resume?

miami with 3-0 finish 19-10(10-6) RPI #44
bama with 2-2 finish 19-11(8-8) RPI #41

miami would have the better 10 games, if that matters can be left out of this convo haha.
 
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GatorsGators said:
The key word: former committee members. They used it up until about the 2008-09 season. That's why Arizona made it over Auburn that year. That's why Georgia made it over Alabama last year. It's why Alabama will make it over South Florida this year.

It's not an opinion. It's what the committee has said the past couple of years, which I've backed up with quotes from the NCAA themselves. They put it out their pretty blatantly. November matters as much as February.
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look at bama and usf resumes again and then tell me why bama will make it over usf please.

rpi and sos will be 15 spots atleast worst than bamas, thats why not how they finish.

its not an opinion? it is your opinion to believe what they are saying, its my choice not to, its personal preference. do you believe everything that you are told by people?

people say things all the times to the public that arent true or are slightly bent to look better to the public, or to hide something that they dont want known.

as i said i choose to believe what i heard 1st hand, im not criticizing you for believing what you want that is your choice, but its my choice to also not believe "committee speak" and everything people say, and believe what i heard first hand.
 
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#115
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bleedingTNorange said:
look at bama and usf resumes again and then tell me why bama will make it over usf please.

rpi and sos will be 15 spots atleast worst than bamas, thats why not how they finish.

its not an opinion? it is your opinion to believe what they are saying, its my choice not to, its personal preference. do you believe everything that you are told by people?

people say things all the times to the public that arent true or are slightly bent to look better to the public, or to hide something that they dont want known.

as i said i choose to believe what i heard 1st hand, im not criticizing you for believing what you want that is your choice, but its my choice to also not believe "committee speak" and everything people say, and believe what i heard first hand.
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I guess it's not fact until the selection process is completely transparent. Sorry if that was out-of-line.

But, whether or not they do consider it, you're putting WAY too much weight into last 10 (or 5) games. It's not the only thing on the resume, and you're not judging how hard the games were. Say, why would LSU benefit for playing an easy schedule the last 10 games of the season?

Here's the stat that makes Alabama's resume WAY better than Miami's: Top 100 record. Alabama's is 7-8, and Miami's is 3-10.
 
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GatorsGators said:
I guess it's not fact until the selection process is completely transparent. Sorry if that was out-of-line.

But, whether or not they do consider it, you're putting WAY too much weight into last 10 (or 5) games. It's not the only thing on the resume, and you're not judging how hard the games were. Say, why would LSU benefit for playing an easy schedule the last 10 games of the season?

Here's the stat that makes Alabama's resume WAY better than Miami's: Top 100 record. Alabama's is 7-8, and Miami's is 3-10.
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im not putting a whole lot of weight in it, but im putting weight in it, and when you said there was no weight put on it i was just standing up for my side of it.

it isnt one of the first 5 things they even look at, but it is looked at and considered when comparing, thats all my point was.

and yes right now thats right, but miami goes 3-0 and bama 2-2 it could be more like...

bama 7-10
miami 6-10

thats using what ifs and saying some of bamas opponents could lose and fall out of top 100 blah blah blah. but my point is still the same, bama goes 2-2 and they are by no means safe. i can do the resume for everyone of those other teams if they go 4-0 and im going to bet most look better than bamas.
 
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Alabama goes 2-2 resume is...

19-11(8-8) RPI: 41

other bubble teams going 4-0 resume is...

Miss St: 22-9(9-7) RPI: 47
Seton Hall: 21-9(10-8) RPI: 35
BYU: 23-6(13-3) RPI: 41
Washington: 22-8(15-3) RPI: 45
Xavier: 20-10(11-5) RPI: 44
Texas: 20-11(10-8) RPI: 45
Miami: 19-10(10-6) RPI: 44


so point still being if bama goes 2-2 they are by no means still safely in. thats all i have been saying.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
im not putting a whole lot of weight in it, but im putting weight in it, and when you said there was no weight put on it i was just standing up for my side of it.

it isnt one of the first 5 things they even look at, but it is looked at and considered when comparing, thats all my point was.

and yes right now thats right, but miami goes 3-0 and bama 2-2 it could be more like...

bama 7-10
miami 6-10

thats using what ifs and saying some of bamas opponents could lose and fall out of top 100 blah blah blah. but my point is still the same, bama goes 2-2 and they are by no means safe. i can do the resume for everyone of those other teams if they go 4-0 and im going to bet most look better than bamas.
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If Alabama went 2-2, their record vs. the Top 100 would be 8-10, considering that Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State all fit that description. If Miami went 3-0, their record vs. the Top 100 would be 5-10, since Florida State and NC State are both Top 100 teams, but Boston College isn't anywhere close.

So, Alabama would have an RPI of 42, and an SOS in the teens. Miami would have an RPI of 44 and an SOS in the high 30s to low 40s. Alabama would have a superior record vs. the Top 100.

In conclusion, even if Alabama went 2-2, and all the fringe teams won out (unlikely), Alabama would still be in good position to make the tournament. They're in solid shape, and they're easily ahead of Mississippi State at this point for the #4 spot in the SEC. Mississippi State would be #5, and LSU would be #6. Nobody else really has a shot in the SEC barring a miraculous late season run.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Alabama goes 2-2 resume is...

19-11(8-8) RPI: 41

other bubble teams going 4-0 resume is...

Miss St: 22-9(9-7) RPI: 47
Seton Hall: 21-9(10-8) RPI: 35
BYU: 23-6(13-3) RPI: 41
Washington: 22-8(15-3) RPI: 45
Xavier: 20-10(11-5) RPI: 44
Texas: 20-11(10-8) RPI: 45
Miami: 19-10(10-6) RPI: 44


so point still being if bama goes 2-2 they are by no means still safely in. thats all i have been saying.
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Alright, I'll concede that if Alabama goes 2-2 and all other bubble teams win out, Alabama wouldn't be safe. But, what are the chances that all of those bubble teams win out? Slim to none.
 
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GatorsGators said:
If Alabama went 2-2, their record vs. the Top 100 would be 8-10, considering that Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State all fit that description. If Miami went 3-0, their record vs. the Top 100 would be 5-10, since Florida State and NC State are both Top 100 teams, but Boston College isn't anywhere close.

So, Alabama would have an RPI of 42, and an SOS in the teens. Miami would have an RPI of 44 and an SOS in the high 30s to low 40s. Alabama would have a superior record vs. the Top 100.

In conclusion, even if Alabama went 2-2, and all the fringe teams won out (unlikely), Alabama would still be in good position to make the tournament. They're in solid shape, and they're easily ahead of Mississippi State at this point for the #4 spot in the SEC. Mississippi State would be #5, and LSU would be #6. Nobody else really has a shot in the SEC barring a miraculous late season run.
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yes you are considering there wins against arky ole miss are going to be top 100. remember you said 2-2, what if they LOST to miss st and ole miss, and win vs arky and auburn.

arky is very close to being out of the top 100, with a bad loss at home and they will be most likely. auburn is out of the top 100, so once again lots of ifs, but this whole thing is ifs.

so no you cant count them getting 2 more sure fire top 100 wins. they could get 0 more, and 2 more top 100 losses though.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Alright, I'll concede that if Alabama goes 2-2 and all other bubble teams win out, Alabama wouldn't be safe. But, what are the chances that all of those bubble teams win out? Slim to none.
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but you see my point now atleast.

the teams i listed arent even all the bubble teams as of now.

so say bama goes 2-2, they are now in hot water and may barely be in or may be just on the outside. say they lose 1st round in the sec t....

they'll be out.

that's all my point has been, very simply that 2-2 and they arent safe by any means. when you are projected a 9-12 seed with this much time left you are not safe at all, you have got to keep winning.
 
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I still think they're in if they go 2-2, as it's not like all of the bubble teams you mentioned (and didn't mention) are going to win out.

If they lose in the first round of the SEC tournament, then that's a completely different story. Assuming they'll be in the #5, #6, or #7 slot if they finish 8-8, they'd be playing South Carolina, Georgia, or Auburn in the first round. All of those games would be considered bad losses, so they couldn't afford to lose there. In all reality, though, a 2-2 finish and one win in the SEC tournament would probably have them in fairly comfortable shape.
 
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GatorsGators said:
I still think they're in if they go 2-2, as it's not like all of the bubble teams you mentioned (and didn't mention) are going to win out.

If they lose in the first round of the SEC tournament, then that's a completely different story. Assuming they'll be in the #5, #6, or #7 slot if they finish 8-8, they'd be playing South Carolina, Georgia, or Auburn in the first round. All of those games would be considered bad losses, so they couldn't afford to lose there. In all reality, though, a 2-2 finish and one win in the SEC tournament would probably have them in fairly comfortable shape.
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agreed.

thats why ive said 2-2 isnt safe though, because you have work to do still at 2-2, as in win atleast 1 game in sec t.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Alabama's in good position to make the big dance whether or not they beat Tennessee in the SEC standings. That's the benefit of having a great RPI and SOS...
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Great is a bit strong. 30 RPI is solid and so is a 15 SOS. But if they were great then Bama wouldn't still be on the bubble.
 
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