How Gundy almost became coach at UT

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Boca Vol said:
More known for the War of 1812 and the Battle of New Orleans but for a 1st grader that's pretty good. :good!:

After losing a re-election bid and with Tennessean Sam Houston rising to leadership in the state, Former Congressman David Crockett joined countless other Tennesseans in sensing a chance to reinvent himself and his political career in Texas. In a Memphis tavern as he was preparing to leave, the frontier statesman made the notorious quote that came to symbolize Crockett’s migration westward and the opportunities that he believed it held:

"My constituents can go to Hell. As for me, I’m going to Texas."

Had Volnation been around ole Davey would have been scorched on here! Crockett was not a VFL, IMO.....Just kidding!
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When I was young, I watched one of the Pee Wee Herman movies,(pathetic I know but I was a kid) and there is a scene when he gets knocked out and when he wakes up all the cowboys ask him what he remembers. He says he remembers the Alamo and the cowboys all scream with joy. So I asked my dad what it was and he explained some of it. It took a little later in life for me to read into it. Anyway the point is I found out what a Tennessee Volunteer was very early in life so if Gundy didn't know then I'm glad he isn't our coach. I find it hard to believe he didn't.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
God has a way of closing and opening the right doors. He has in my life multiple times, and led me to an incredible situation. Does God care about UT football? Dunno. But I know he cares about Butch Jones, and it seems he opened and closed the right doors to get Butch to a place where his hard work can really pay off and where his abilities will be showcased and appreciated.

Very glad and proud to have Butch as our coach. At this point, I wouldn't trade him for anyone. He has done a perfect job this far. I hope with all my big orange heart that he gets the results he wants on the field.
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How would you the describe His handling of His Kiffin and Dooley hires?
 
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#82
Hiring this guy would have been a 3 yrs then try again scenario. There is no way he could have recruited in the SEC. Besides, he has to serve Boone Pickens breakfast in bed every morning, followed by a good ole shoe shine
 
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jerseydevilvol said:
When I was young, I watched one of the Pee Wee Herman movies,(pathetic I know but I was a kid) and there is a scene when he gets knocked out and when he wakes up all the cowboys ask him what he remembers. He says he remembers the Alamo and the cowboys all scream with joy. So I asked my dad what it was and he explained some of it. It took a little later in life for me to read into it. Anyway the point is I found out what a Tennessee Volunteer was very early in life so if Gundy didn't know then I'm glad he isn't our coach. I find it hard to believe he didn't.
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Pee Wee Herman and the Alamo in the same breath. That has to be a first. :)
 
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Honestly, I would rather have Butch Jones than Mike Gundy. I think Jones is a better coach. And I seriously doubt Gundy was ever doing anything more than using Dave Hart to get a raise. I thought that was obvious to everyone other than our AD.
 
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tim said:
He didnt know what a Volunteer was? Gtfo.
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To his defense, do most people on here know what a Sooner is? How about a Tar Heel?

We hold the Volunteer spirit close to heart but not everyone knows the story.
 
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#90
That article is comical. Yeah . . . maybe he did consider the job, but lets not insult everybody's intelligence and act like it was a philosophical disagreement that led to all of this. Gundy put his name out there just to show that he could draw interest so he could command a bigger payday and more gravitas at a school with a monster ego in the AD and Boone Pickens calling all the shots from the outside.
 
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I didn't read the article posted, but based on OP's statements, this is total bullcrap and just lip service.
 
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GAVol said:
That article is comical. Yeah . . . maybe he did consider the job, but lets not insult everybody's intelligence and act like it was a philosophical disagreement that led to all of this. Gundy put his name out there just to show that he could draw interest so he could command a bigger payday and more gravitas at a school with a monster ego in the AD and Boone Pickens calling all the shots from the outside.
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Yup. Right on the money GA
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Exactly this. If he doesn't deliver in the wins column, I fear his execution by hyped up UT fans will be swift and relentless. He's exciting, motivating, and relentless in his role as a recruiter and coach, but we are still down in the dumps with the likes of Kentucky. I truly hope people keep that in mind and are happy with the positives and not surprised with some losses next year.
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Funny how a few months ago I said the same thing, probably harsher but the same nonetheless, and I've been the most hated guy on here since. And on top of it u get an agreement from one of my biggest fans....I mean...haters below...

KBVol said:
I agree. Already got guys in here saying if he doesn't win X number of games he's on the hotseat/not the right guy. Crazy. Even Saban went 7-6 his first year before turning Alabama around. Gonna take some patience, there are gonna be some losses, especially given our schedule.
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Dooley won 6 in his first yr in just as difficult, if not more, of a first yr schedule. Apparently he's an idiot and a crappy coach so that's the line drawn in the sand right there. Cbj may have walked into a dumpster but the fire has been put out, and now it's disinfected by the fire and cleaned by the water. It's put up or shut up time imo.

Don't talk about giving him patience cause that's just hypocritical. I love how people like you are wanting others to give to CBJ what y'all were unwilling to give Dooley. And no 2.5 yrs isn't enough even if u gave him support up to the Mizzou game or what ever pt people think was enough time.

I don't know if CBJ is the coach of the future, hope he is, but if he is as good as all say he is then hold his feet to the fire as much as the last guy cause he is making 3mil a yr and the previous guy who did all the grunt work was making 1.9. Which so many on here used for a reason why he needed to win "now" yet he was in the same pay range as KYs coach.

What I think u r having trouble understanding is that if CBJ doesn't have a 7+ win season the perception of his abilities may not be looked at positively. Therefore, it can keep him back on the recruiting trail. He needs to have a great season so he can catch the momentum in the right direction. Otherwise he can be easy pickings by the best recruiters in the country bad mouthing him, especially adding The Legion of the Miserable. It's not that difficult to understand what it takes to get UT out of the hole it's in, and giving him a pass in his first yr isn't going to help.

I love UT as much as the next guy, and have shown I can see the positives through so many negatives and have patience. At the end of the day this fan base decided that changing coaches was best, but we can't keep pushing it down the road 3-4 yrs. We need to see actual improvement on the field improvement ASAP, and that's with wins. Otherwise our hole will just get deeper cause hippie lovie dovie positive aura isn't going to get done all on its own.

Just all IMHO thats all...
 
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Mods, could we start an "I still love Dooley" subforum, just for Oskie Volum, so he can hold court whenever he likes about how unfairly the only coach in UT history to post 3 straight losing seasons was treated?
 
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Really Glad he didn't become our coach. Dude is a Douche Bag!! Never really liked him even before his 40 yr old antics....
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Funny how a few months ago I said the same thing, probably harsher but the same nonetheless, and I've been the most hated guy on here since. And on top of it u get an agreement from one of my biggest fans....I mean...haters below...



Dooley won 6 in his first yr in just as difficult, if not more, of a first yr schedule. Apparently he's an idiot and a crappy coach so that's the line drawn in the sand right there. Cbj may have walked into a dumpster but the fire has been put out, and now it's disinfected by the fire and cleaned by the water. It's put up or shut up time imo.

Don't talk about giving him patience cause that's just hypocritical. I love how people like you are wanting others to give to CBJ what y'all were unwilling to give Dooley. And no 2.5 yrs isn't enough even if u gave him support up to the Mizzou game or what ever pt people think was enough time.

I don't know if CBJ is the coach of the future, hope he is, but if he is as good as all say he is then hold his feet to the fire as much as the last guy cause he is making 3mil a yr and the previous guy who did all the grunt work was making 1.9. Which so many on here used for a reason why he needed to win "now" yet he was in the same pay range as KYs coach.

What I think u r having trouble understanding is that if CBJ doesn't have a 7+ win season the perception of his abilities may not be looked at positively. Therefore, it can keep him back on the recruiting trail. He needs to have a great season so he can catch the momentum in the right direction. Otherwise he can be easy pickings by the best recruiters in the country bad mouthing him, especially adding The Legion of the Miserable. It's not that difficult to understand what it takes to get UT out of the hole it's in, and giving him a pass in his first yr isn't going to help.

I love UT as much as the next guy, and have shown I can see the positives through so many negatives and have patience. At the end of the day this fan base decided that changing coaches was best, but we can't keep pushing it down the road 3-4 yrs. We need to see actual improvement on the field improvement ASAP, and that's with wins. Otherwise our hole will just get deeper cause hippie lovie dovie positive aura isn't going to get done all on its own.

Just all IMHO thats all...
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I was 100% behind Dooley when he was hired and I did the exact same thing I'm doing now with CBJ--- called for patience while he implements his system, gets his recruits in, all that stuff, which is very reasonable. Clay Travis here locally in Nashville said he was on the hotseat after his first year and I thought he was both unfair and insane.

As I've stated before, I hung in there with Dooley until the Missouri game when I finally opened my eyes fully and prepared myself for his firing. Which, in hindsight, was both fully earned and deserved on his part.

We got a 3 year sample of Dooley and it was arguably the worst 3 year stretch of UT football ever, certainly within the last 75 years or so. He won 42% of his games and a grand freaking total of 3 SEC games in 3 years, lost to Ky and got blown out by Vandy. UT under Dooley recorded back to back losing for the first time in 100 years!

We also found out that he was derelect in his duties regarding the recruitment of several big name recruits, and his relationships with high school coaches throughout the state.

Not being hypocritical at all. Hypocritical will be if I don't have the same criticisms of CBJ as I do of Dooley if he has the same pathetic track record. And I can assure you that if he fails to the extent that Dooley did I will.
 
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