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#52
Volstylexx said:
Since when were major programs beating down the door to get to Martin??? No one outside of the MVC knew who he was before we hired him.
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besides Ernie Grunfeld and Allan Houston. . .and Missouri who interviewed him before us. . .oh and some guys on a NC State Message Board who had him listed as one of their top candidates from a mid-major before we hired him. . .oh, and the Purdue folks who were banking on hiring him if Painter left. . .but besides that you're right, no one knew him.
 
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#57
Mattlock said:
besides Ernie Grunfeld and Allan Houston. . .and Missouri who interviewed him before us. . .oh and some guys on a NC State Message Board who had him listed as one of their top candidates from a mid-major before we hired him. . .oh, and the Purdue folks who were banking on hiring him if Painter left. . .but besides that you're right, no one knew him.
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I'm just glad our big time facilities and tradition was enough to lure him away from the MVC. Elite 8 by 2013.. Book it!
 
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#59
Volstylexx said:
I forgot he was Purdue's "Safety pick".. Doesn't mean they would have hired him first. Few people on this board had any knowledge of him prior to the announcement.
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You display how little you know about college basketball with every post.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So? Most of the fans on this board didn't start watching college basketball until 2005.
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That wasn't the point. Just saying this place was on fire after he was announced.. and very very few people knew anything about him. People are now acting like he is the second coming of Christ and that every school in America was wanting him. That's just not an accurate portrayal of the situation. We could have waited before hiring him.
 
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Volstylexx said:
That wasn't the point. Just saying this place was on fire after he was announced.. and very very few people knew anything about him. People are now acting like he is the second coming of Christ and that every school in America was wanting him. That's just not an accurate portrayal of the situation. We could have waited before hiring him.
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No, no one's acting like everyone on the planet wanted him. You're just backtracking now after exposing your ignorance about the situation. The bottomline is that Martin's name was connected to the Missouri job, the GT job, and the Purdue job if Painter left.
 
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#63
LawVol13 said:
No, no one's acting like everyone on the planet wanted him. You're just backtracking now after exposing your ignorance about the situation. The bottomline is that Martin's name was connected to the Missouri job, the GT job, and the Purdue job if Painter left.
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actually I never said anything to the contrary. The point was and the point is that we could have waited. Martin was not a hot commodity when we hired him. Being connected to the missouri job and being called a "safety pick" by Purdue does not mean the guy was a hot pick that we had to snatch up before he got away. You cant tell me that if we hired someone else.. people here would be saying "oh damn we didn't get Martin" "Hammy sucks because he let Martin get away". No... no one would have said a thing.
 
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Volstylexx said:
actually I never said anything to the contrary. The point was and the point is that we could have waited. Martin was not a hot commodity when we hired him. Being connected to the missouri job and being called a "safety pick" by Purdue does not mean the guy was a hot pick that we had to snatch up before he got away. You cant tell me that if we hired someone else.. people here would be saying "oh damn we didn't get Martin" "Hammy sucks because he let Martin get away". No... no one would have said a thing.
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He most likely would have been the Missouri coach. He wasn't a safety pick for Purdue; he would have been the #1 option had Painter left. Just because you and a couple of others who started watching basketball a couple years ago hadn't heard of him doesn't mean it's a bad hire.
 
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LawVol13 said:
He most likely would have been the Missouri coach. He wasn't a safety pick for Purdue; he would have been the #1 option had Painter left. Just because you and a couple of others who started watching basketball a couple years ago hadn't heard of him doesn't mean it's a bad hire.
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Going to use your favorite one liner here -"Your ignorance continues to grow with each post."
I never once said he was a bad hire. Purdue said he was "a safety pick" ... not "our next head coach if Painter leaves" .. there's a huge difference in that language.

Watching basketball for 5 years of 50.. doesn't matter. If we hadn't have hired Martin, noone would be crying about it.
 
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Volstylexx said:
That wasn't the point. Just saying this place was on fire after he was announced.. and very very few people knew anything about him. People are now acting like he is the second coming of Christ and that every school in America was wanting him. That's just not an accurate portrayal of the situation. We could have waited before hiring him.
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Volstylexx said:
actually I never said anything to the contrary. The point was and the point is that we could have waited. Martin was not a hot commodity when we hired him. Being connected to the missouri job and being called a "safety pick" by Purdue does not mean the guy was a hot pick that we had to snatch up before he got away. You cant tell me that if we hired someone else.. people here would be saying "oh damn we didn't get Martin" "Hammy sucks because he let Martin get away". No... no one would have said a thing.
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The reaction of fans on a message board is irrelevant, and yet that seems to be your main criterion for calling a coach a "hot commodity." Maybe most fans didn't had never heard the guy's name before, but he is apparently highly regarded by a lot of people in the basketball business.

It's easy to wring your hands about "if only we had waited!" when you have no idea who we talked to. Given who everybody else in the market hired, it's hard to say that we missed out on much. We certainly got the guy with the highest longterm upside. Would you had rather we waited and ended up with Mark Gottfried?
 
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Volstylexx said:
I never once said he was a bad hire. Purdue said he was "a safety pick" ... not "our next head coach if Painter leaves" .. there's a huge difference in that language.
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I'm just glad our big time facilities and tradition was enough to lure him away from the MVC. Elite 8 by 2013.. Book it!
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Yea, that's certainly not a negative post about the hire. Also, show me where Purdue came out and said Martin was their "safety pick." I'll give you a hint: it never happened.
 
#68
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Vercingetorix said:
It's easy to wring your hands about "if only we had waited!" when you have no idea who we talked to. Given who everybody else in the market hired, it's hard to say that we missed out on much. We certainly got the guy with the highest longterm upside. Would you had rather we waited and ended up with Mark Gottfried?
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This is exactly right. His response is just the typical ignorant response by someone who really has no clue what's going on but wants to sit back and ***** and whine.
 
#69
#69
LawVol13 said:
Yea, that's certainly not a negative post about the hire. Also, show me where Purdue came out and said Martin was their "safety pick." I'll give you a hint: it never happened.
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Actually it was in articles from espn, etc.. "Safety pick" I'll look for them just to prove that you don't know everything.

In the mean time, why don't you show me where Purdue said he was the next head coach and top choice if painter left?... I'll give you a hint: It never happened.
 
#70
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If Hubbs is right and we talked seriously to Stevens, then it seems likely that we reached out through back channels to most of the names that fans would hope we would, decided that none of them were happening, and then moved quickly to snag the guy we liked best out of the rest. Which is exactly the way to handle it.
 
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LawVol13 said:
This is exactly right. His response is just the typical ignorant response by someone who really has no clue what's going on but wants to sit back and ***** and whine.
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I guess we can only dream to be on the same level as you. You must make big bucks working with the athletic department at UT since you know everything about TN athletics. How much do they pay you for your consulting?
 
#72
#72
Vercingetorix said:
If Hubbs is right and we talked seriously to Stevens, then it seems likely that we reached out through back channels to most of the names that fans would hope we would, decided that none of them were happening, and then moved quickly to snag the guy we liked best out of the rest. Which is exactly the way to handle it.
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You're probably exactly right. And we probably landed the best guy we could given the situation. It's just interesting to me to see people go from not knowing who he was... to thinking he is the next Coach K. Only time is going to answer how TN remembers his tenure.
 
#73
#73
Volstylexx said:
Actually it was in articles from espn, etc.. "Safety pick" I'll look for them just to prove that you don't know everything.

In the mean time, why don't you show me where Purdue said he was the next head coach and top choice if painter left?... I'll give you a hint: It never happened.
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You obviously don't understand the concept of some writer's opinion on ESPN as opposed to the school itself calling him a "safety pick." Not surprised you missed that.

I don't make ridiculous statements like you and assert that the school came out and said this. It was being widely reported though by lots of people, and he would have been a logical choice for Purdue.
 
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#74
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Volstylexx said:
I guess we can only dream to be on the same level as you. You must make big bucks working with the athletic department at UT since you know everything about TN athletics. How much do they pay you for your consulting?
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The irony here is thick. Someone who's claiming to know that "we could have waited and still hired Martin" and "no one knew who Martin was" is now accusing others of pretending they're all knowing. I guess that's what you have to do when you're exposed as not really knowing anything.
 
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