Huge Recruiting News- The 28 Limit

#76
#76
Lord Vader said:
We are agreeing, you're just misunderstanding what I'm saying I think. We can only have 27 new recruits ON THE ROSTER next year at UT. We can get 30 COMMITS, and 3 of them can be placed in JUCO...
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It's all confusing. It's just easier for me to think of the actual number.
 
#77
#77
TideWarrior said:
So basically as of right now there will only be a total of 27 scholarships availible for incoming players, including players to be backcounted towards the 2009 class.

The number of players that sign is a mute point, because you only have 27 scholarship spots availible. Remember the 28 signing rule has nothing to do with scholarship availibility.
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Correct.
 
#78
#78
85 is one number but can only bring in a max of 25 each year, but not exceeding 85. Since the team brought in 23 last year there is only 2 spots to fill, even you lost more than 2 players on scholarship.
 
#79
#79
TideWarrior said:
85 is one number but can only bring in a max of 25 each year, but not exceeding 85. Since the team brought in 23 last year there is only 2 spots to fill, even you lost more than 2 players on scholarship.
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Correct again. 85 is the total limit and 28 is the limit each class.
 
#80
#80
TideWarrior said:
So basically as of right now there will only be a total of 27 scholarships availible for incoming players, including players to be backcounted towards the 2009 class.

The number of players that sign is a mute point, because you only have 27 scholarship spots availible. Remember the 28 signing rule has nothing to do with scholarship availibility.
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The number of players that sign is ALWAYS a moot point in the way you are looking at it. No school will get every recruit they signed into school in the fall. Just doesn't happen...
 
#81
#81
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Correct again. 85 is the total limit and 28 is the limit each class.
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No. Hubbs said this:

I had been led to believe by some coaches, administrators and league officials that the max number that a school could sign was 28 period, but apparently that is not how that policy was finalized. You can only sign 28, but that does not count guys you back count from the previous year. Which means you can sign more than 28.
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#82
#82
That is what I get for hiting the mute button on the phone while typing. LOL

Yes though the reasoning for the new 28 NLI signing rule was so teams recruited players that would get in. Unlike Nutt who signed 35 because he knew a bunch would not.
 
#83
#83
We signed 23 last year, but was Green not apart of those 23? If so, since he did not get in, would that not leave room for one more?

Rivals lists 22 with James being one of those. I am assuming that Lamasion is #23?
 
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#84
#84
Ecluding scholarship availibility this is an example of the number of players that can signed to a NLI each year. The new rule went into effect immediately. So teams can only sign 28 players to NLIs each year in the SEC.

Example:

Now according to what I have found I believe UT signed 24 recruits last year to NLIs. I not sure who enrolled early or who did not qualify but they stilled signed a NLI. JUCOs are the exception to signing early a NLI and transferring in. But we will assume 24 players for this example.

If 24 were signed than UT could back count 4 players this year to count against the 2009 class. Only for signing purposes that would technically give UT the ability to sign 32 players this year to a NLI. 28 would count against 2010 and 4 against 2009.

Now lets say UT has 8 of the 2010 commits to enroll early. This does not include the 3 JUCOs that are coming in. So 8 of the current 18 incoming freshman enroll in January. Those eight will not count against the 28 rule for the class on either year. A mid year enrollee can not sign a NLI. First because football does not have a early signing period. Second the NLI is a contract that be binding for 1 full year and cannot be used for only one semester. Third a player enrolling in January is considered a student athlete, so when NSD comes around they can not sign a NLI since they are only used for college bound prospects. Again any player coming will still get a scholarship.

So lets do the math. 8 players midyear enroll plus 4 that can count towards the 2009 signing class. so basically 12of the current 21 commits would not count against your 28 rule for the 2010 class. So if you look at this way then UT could actually sign 19 more players to the class.

I do not know the number of mid year enrolless but this is just an example. But remember this has nothing to do with the number of scholarships availible just the number of players that can sigh a NLI.
 
#86
#86
GoVols2003 said:
We signed 23 last year, but was Green not apart of those 23? If so, since he did not get in, would that not leave room for one more?
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Well, I think they are counting Hughes instead of Green. But I still don't see how Hubbs is getting 23 in last year's class. Mitchell-Thornton, Williams, Hughes, and Sykes were all early enrollees and would be backcounted on the 2008 class. That would mean we only had a class of 19 in 2009...

Gah, this is so figgin confusing...
 
#87
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Lord Vader said:
Well, I think they are counting Hughes instead of Green. But I still don't see how Hubbs is getting 23 in last year's class. Mitchell-Thornton, Williams, Hughes, and Sykes were all early enrollees and would be backcounted on the 2008 class. That would mean we only had a class of 19 in 2009...

Gah, this is so figgin confusing...
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I believe Hubbs said that we could not back count in this last class bc we were at the 85 limit at the time.
 
#88
#88
Just in case you were wondering where I got this info.

This is from the NLI website:

May a midyear enrollee sign a National Letter of Intent?

No. Under the terms of the National Letter of Intent program, a written award of athletics aid for the entire academic year must accompany a National Letter of Intent. Accordingly, the National Letter of Intent program does not allow for prospective student-athletes enrolling at midyear to sign a National Letter of Intent. The National Letter of Intent program has created an exception to this general rule for midyear junior college transfer students in the sport of football. A midyear junior college transfer student in the sport of football may sign a National Letter of Intent during the designated signing period.
 
#89
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GoVols2003 said:
I believe Hubbs said that we could not back count in this last class bc we were at the 85 limit at the time.
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I remember also reading with regards to back counting in our class for 2010 that we could not use spots of players who did not get their scholarship renewed. Since they played in the 2008 season they would count against the 85 max, so the only spots we are backcounting are for the incoming class that we did fill up. We only added 22 scholarships for the 2009 class. Three players were grayshirted and 2 I believed deferred enrollment.
 
#94
#94
I am ssuming that the elder Rogers' medical reshirt request could weigh in on whether a spot opens up.
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#95
#95
Wow...this thread is seriously confusing.

We gave scholarships to walk ons when we ran off 4*s.

If we have the opportunity to bring in a new 4* but it means a walk on will not keep their scholarship, everyone including the walk on will understand when it is pulled.
 
#96
#96
The nice thing is that a medical redshirt does not count against your 85 number for the year. So that is a spot you can backcount to.

The best part is the coaches will figure it all out and get the players they need.
 
#98
#98
How many players did we loose in the spring? I find it amazing that we are close to 85 with those numbers and last year's graduating class.
 
#99
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onevol74 said:
How many players did we loose in the spring? I find it amazing that we are close to 85 with those numbers and last year's graduating class.
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We lost around 10 or so, but we gave a couple of schollys out too. LWS has it at 81 players on scholly. That's what I'd say it is. LWS knows his stuff. The scholarships aren't what's hurting us. We could free up a scholarship if we had to; Bama frees up a ton of them every year. The thing that is restricting us is the new SEC rule. If this was last year, we would be bringing in a class about the size of what Houston Nutt did...

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#100
#100
I kind of know that since James Green didn't qualify, we may have 29 spots this year. I just didn't think of that we back counted 3 last year too...
 
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