Hurricane Harvey

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samanderson said:
This event is historical and unprecedented. It is, my climate change naysayers, what 99 percent of the climatologists have been warning us about for years. And it will only get worse in future years.
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Explain how climate change caused the storm to stall?
 
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ruger1234 said:
Link didn't answer my question.

From the article

"All of this said, a storm like Harvey could have happened even if there was no climate change."
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"Harvey benefitted from unusually toasty waters in the Gulf of Mexico. As the storm roared toward Houston last week, sea-surface waters near Texas rose to between 2.7 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit above average. These waters were some of the hottest spots of ocean surface in the world. The tropical storm, feeding off this unusual warmth, was able to progress from a tropical depression to a category-four hurricane in roughly 48 hours."

Read the entire article. It also said 30 percent of the intensity of this event can be attributed to human activity.

This is a big picture issue, not a political issue. On such matters, I choose to side with the 99 percent scientific community. If you don't, I hope you are not making decisions in any relevant endeavor in this world.
 
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samanderson said:
Harvey benefitted from unusually toasty waters in the Gulf of Mexico. As the storm roared toward Houston last week, sea-surface waters near Texas rose to between 2.7 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit above average. These waters were some of the hottest spots of ocean surface in the world. The tropical storm, feeding off this unusual warmth, was able to progress from a tropical depression to a category-four hurricane in roughly 48 hours."

Read the entire article. It also said 30 percent of the intensity of this event can be attributed to human activity.

This is a big picture issue, not a political issue. On such matters, I choose to side with the 99 percent scientific community. If you don't, I hope you are not making decisions in any relevant endeavor in this world.
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"All of this said, a storm like Harvey could have happened even if there was no climate change."

This single sentence from the article you provided nullifies your point.


The strength of the storm was not what caused the devastating flooding. It stalled moving between one and two miles per hour close enough to the gulf to have an endless supply of moisture. Again, how did climate change cause the storm to stall?
 
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samanderson said:
"Harvey benefitted from unusually toasty waters in the Gulf of Mexico. As the storm roared toward Houston last week, sea-surface waters near Texas rose to between 2.7 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit above average. These waters were some of the hottest spots of ocean surface in the world. The tropical storm, feeding off this unusual warmth, was able to progress from a tropical depression to a category-four hurricane in roughly 48 hours."

Read the entire article. It also said 30 percent of the intensity of this event can be attributed to human activity.

This is a big picture issue, not a political issue. On such matters, I choose to side with the 99 percent scientific community. If you don't, I hope you are not making decisions in any relevant endeavor in this world.
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Do not park your van by the river.
 
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samanderson said:
"Harvey benefitted from unusually toasty waters in the Gulf of Mexico. As the storm roared toward Houston last week, sea-surface waters near Texas rose to between 2.7 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit above average. These waters were some of the hottest spots of ocean surface in the world. The tropical storm, feeding off this unusual warmth, was able to progress from a tropical depression to a category-four hurricane in roughly 48 hours."

Read the entire article. It also said 30 percent of the intensity of this event can be attributed to human activity.

This is a big picture issue, not a political issue. On such matters, I choose to side with the 99 percent scientific community. If you don't, I hope you are not making decisions in any relevant endeavor in this world.
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You should study weather a bit more. The hurricane is trapped between high pressures which makes it stall. Yet it is still close enough to the sea to keep picking up moisture. Climate change has nothing to do with it stalling.


https://www.google.com/amp/gizmodo....rvey-is-showing-texas-no-mercy-1798465439/amp



Harvey’s unusual trajectory (or lack thereof) stems from the fact that it’s stuck between two areas of strong upper-level high pressure, one in the western US, and another centered around the southeast. “Hurricanes effectively move as pebbles in a stream, that is, they are steered by large-scale weather patterns,” Klotzbach said. “The combination of these high pressure areas means that the storm is currently stationary.”
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samanderson said:
This event is historical and unprecedented. It is, my climate change naysayers, what 99 percent of the climatologists have been warning us about for years. And it will only get worse in future years.
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Or we could just keep politics in the politics forum and worry about our VN brothers and sisters that happen to be in the path of this still dangerous storm.

That's always a good start on answering questions like this.
 
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ruger1234 said:
"All of this said, a storm like Harvey could have happened even if there was no climate change."

This single sentence from the article you provided nullifies your point.


The strength of the storm was not what caused the devastating flooding. It stalled moving between one and two miles per hour close enough to the gulf to have an endless supply of moisture. Again, how did climate change cause the storm to stall?
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I'm not a climatologist and you aren't either. You stick with your 1 percent and I'll stick with my 99 percent. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren are the ones who will get to make the call on this one. :hi:
 
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samanderson said:
This event is historical and unprecedented. It is, my climate change naysayers, what 99 percent of the climatologists have been warning us about for years. And it will only get worse in future years.
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Oh brother

It's a hurricane that has stalled over the coast
 
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samanderson said:
I'm not a climatologist and you aren't either. You stick with your 1 percent and I'll stick with my 99 percent. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren are the ones who will get to make the call on this one. :hi:
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Never denied that our climate is changing. It's always changing. You still haven't provided any evidence that climate change caused Harvey to stall. Keep in mind that Harvey was the first major hurricane to make landfall on US soil in about ten years. Ten years ago the 99% were telling us that major hurricanes would become the norm during hurricanes season, they haven't

The so called 99% you cite are wrong on most climate predictions beyond five days. I trust them no longer than that.
 
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Katrina all over again.. 3rd largest metro in the US major major disaster.. got brother FF from memphis helping out there, it's very bad
 
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So far, I see TennTraditions, BigOrangeJeff and TXBO in the Houston area. TT and TXBO have checked in, anyone hear from BOJ in other media?

Anyone else know of VN folks in that vicinity that might be under threat?
 
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This pic....

Wtf

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